Ice cream company fetes gay marriage

Here we go again -

It seems clear that the world is heading in a direction that I do not see it backing out of. See some of the comments - “Somewhere along the way, the populace in general will FURTHER recognize that gay people are deserving of equality under our laws. In general this is happening in much of the country, but “protect marriage” has become code words for discrimination against gay people. In the end, the churches who denigrate and deny the humanity of LGBT people - all part of God’s creation, will suddenly see their coffers running dry, and never understand why, for they have been blinded by their own propaganda and deceitfulness. In particular, all Catholics should realize that Jesus never said a word against gays, and he did say that besides Loving God, we should all love thy neighbor as ourselves”. And these folks should demand the church change, or cut off the contributions. And see just how fast blind faith suddenly becomes enlightened. Reminds me of the statement : The truth shall set you free."
This one was especially ominous - [LEFT]“Give me a break. In fact, give yourself a break and get it through your neanderthal skulls that the world is changing, and in 20 years, your ignorant protests will be akin to using racial slurs, and your children will be chastising you for having such little, hateful minds. I wonder which minority, whether by class, race, sexuality or gender, we’ll be demonizing by then.”[/LEFT]

I said just the opposite if you read my post on the issues. I think when you study cultures that change over time, as ours has in its short history, you will see resistance to change on many levels. Some resist gay marriage out of hatred, it’s true. But I believe most resist it for a variety of very legitimate reasons. I just think those reasons are all wrong. I really do liken it to the civil rights issue of the 20th century as well as the woman’s sufferage issue earlier in the 20th century. Not all men were ignorant slobs (okay, maybe a lot were but not all). They were resisting a sea change in society when it came to women voting. Remember, for more than half our history, women could not vote. How silly that looks to us now here in 2009. I fervently believe the thoght of not allowing a man to marry a man or a woman to marry a woman will seem just as silly to the average american in 2059.
Well, it’s an objective fact - Gay relationships are morally wrong. Unfortunately, in a world that doesn’t believe in objectivity, we are going to come across as hateful bigots. We’re gonna look like the people who still adamantly support racism now.

We have to come up with more compelling arguments to counter this.

I stopped buying Ben and Trotsky’s ice cream years ago because of their marxist beliefs. Just one more reason not to.

Homosexuals already have equality under our laws. What they want is for the rest of us to embrace their mortally sinful behavior. We can never allow this, because it is a LIE.

Good thing Ben & Jerry’s is too expensive to enjoy. :smiley: I’d rather get something more natural than all the chemicals they put in there too!

Surely at some point it has got to come back to mind that THROUGHOUT HISTORY dating back as far as the Greeks and the Egyptians and farther, that anyone who participated or practiced homosexual behaviors was considered sick! Mentally, physically, etc. It was not tolerated. It was not acceptable. Even as recently as 50 years ago people knew that it was not socially acceptable. If it were why would people have to “come out of the closet”?

It reminds me of a joke by Johnny Carson when he was posing as the Great Carnak on his late night show. The answer he gave before the question was “Ben Gay.” Then he read the question, “Why did Ben Franklin never marry?”

In the 1970s, homosexual activists forced the APA to re-define homosexuality as ‘normal.’

Because a group of cowering ‘experts’ declares it so, does not make it so.

Well, that’s not accurate. What happened is that the APA stopped calling it a psychological abnormality. That makes sense.

According to the APA:

"Is homosexuality a mental disorder?

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. "

This is just to let you know what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about homosexuality, since you haven’t become aware of this.
"Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which always presents homosexualy acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."
This is not to refuse to say though, as the Catechism also says, “homosexuals must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity” (section 2357-8)
Not though, I would think, that we should be disarmed before the gay movement.

In fact the ancient Greeks would have considered heterosexuality very strange, too. The majority of them were bisexual. You had a wife to have children, as was your duty to the state. To them, love was general for a male companion.

Revisionist history. They were forced to do so by homosexual activists.

I don’t think it’s a mental disorder, either. No more so than any other sin, but perhaps sin itself is something of a mental disorder. I consider it more of a temptation than a disorder, and it is a temptation focused upon some and not upon others.

If there was an award for most frequently wrong on this forum. You would likely win hands down. (actually, I think you just love to be provocative.)

The APA knuckled under as we all know.:wink:

Well, I have never had Ben & Jerry ice cream. But, in support of their position, I think I’ll buy a pint on my next trip to the grocery. I’ll let you know how it is. Hope it’s worth the money…

All this talk of B & J makes me crave some “New York Super Nut Chunk” chocolate ice cream.

Time to join the celebration with the purchase of a couple of pints. :thumbsup:

I think this sums it up pretty well. Especially verses 16-32.

Chapter 1
1 2 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God,
which he promised previously through his prophets in the holy scriptures,
3 the gospel about his Son, descended from David according to the flesh,
but established as Son of God in power according to the spirit of holiness through resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.
4 Through him we have received the grace of apostleship, to bring about the obedience of faith, for the sake of his name, among all the Gentiles,
among whom are you also, who are called to belong to Jesus Christ;
to all the beloved of God in Rome, called to be holy. 5 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
First, I give thanks 6 to my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is heralded throughout the world.
God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in proclaiming the gospel of his Son, that I remember you constantly,
7 always asking in my prayers that somehow by God’s will I may at last find my way clear to come to you.
For I long to see you, that I may share with you some spiritual gift so that you may be strengthened,
that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by one another’s faith, yours and mine.
I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, 8 that I often planned to come to you, though I was prevented until now, that I might harvest some fruit among you, too, as among the rest of the Gentiles.

14 To Greeks and non-Greeks alike, to the wise and the ignorant, I am under obligation;
15 that is why I am eager to preach the gospel also to you in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek.
17 For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is righteous by faith will live."
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
30 and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. "

I think someone gave you the wrong information when you heard most ancient Greeks were bisexual. I doubt whoever told this to you had any proof for this. I know that some ancient Greek did accept homosexual sex and lovers, but this is something I have never heard though I have had courses in ancient Greek and Roman history and have studied their culture.
Similarly, I have read many accounts of conversions in the ancient world, and I never heard that any of them left a homosexual lifestyle, which would generally have been the case if this was actually their usual view and practice.

Have you ever read the original Greek myths, particularly those of Apollo? Hyacinthus and Cyparisus were two of his male lovers. You will find that in many other Greek myths as well. The publishers of the Loeb Classical Library have also admited to having edited much of this out in their earlier editions. I’m not condoning this or supporting homosexuality, by the way, I’m just pointing out how Greek culture was.

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