If Christ is not present in the Eucharist, how do you explain Eucharistic miracles?


#1

If Christ is not present in the Eucharist, how do you explain Eucharistic miracles?

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle


#2

Non-Catholics will say no Eucharistic miracles happened so there is nothing to explain.


#3

Or worse, that these miracles are works of Satan which are described in Scripture. How can you possibly prove to a non-believer that these are not works of Satan performed to deceive us? You and I know they are miracles, but you really can’t “prove” it. That’s what faith means. The real presence is so well described in Scripture it’s hard to believe people don’t understand it.


#4

Can anyone prove they are from God?


#5

If they were not from God, then they had to be from Satan, and in that case Catholics would never confess that Jesus is Lord.


#6

Why would a “miracle” from other than God prevent Catholics from confessing Jesus is Lord?


#7

Because if it is not from God then it is obviously from Satan, and Satan does not want anyone to confess that Jesus is Lord.


#8

Satan cannot make miracles like these because it is Christ center miracles. Why would Satan make illusions that brings people to God? His goal is to separate us from God.


#9

Unless the eucharist is a false christ and there are many christians who hold that belief and were even put to death for not worshipping it.


#10

These “miracles” are NOT the same as the Real Presence in the sacrament.


#11

I’m not too sure of that (perhaps a more knowledgeable Catholic will tell you) but it is still a miracle.


#12

Just curious, how can one not be sure of this?


#13

I meant, I’m not too sure whether your statement “these miracles are not the real presence” is right.


#14

They could also have a human origin. After all, their wounds are round and Roman nails are Square.


#15

Read the book of Job, Satan put boils on Job’s body. Satan if he is doing it, would do it to side track you to pray to Mary rather than pray directly to God. You believe that your devotion to mary and the saints glorifies God, fact is NO they do not. We see those as a means of side tracking you from Jesus.


#16

That would be foolish of Satan. Obviously, you don’t pray to Mary, or have a relationship with the Body of Christ. If you are fighting a war, you don’t give your enemy a great tool that can be used to defeat you.


#17

Most likely they are frauds.

Blood types in miracles like the Shourd of Turin, Eucharist miracles, bleeding statues, stigmata or whatever are NOT consistent.

If you examine the evolution of blood types, Jewish people in Jesus’ day, including Jesus would have blood type OO. Blood type AB did not even come into existence until the 1500’s.

lisashea.com/lisabase/biology/art14442.html

The wounds are round, and roman nails are Square.

The wounds in the hand and feet are in the wrong places.
Those wounds would be in the wrists and ankles based on
historical sources.

The spear into the sac around the heart would be from the side into the center of the chest where your rib cage forms the upside down V.

The bibical text about confessing “Jesus is Lord” had a historical context of perscution. To claim Jesus is Lord back then had a death sentence attached to it, Saul who became Paul was out to capture Christians for death. Look at Stephen around Acts 8 for example. Today, even cults like Mormons can say “Jesus is Lord”, but generally they do not have the commitment of dying for Jesus.

loansfamily.com/Church/topics/crucifiction.htm


#18

If the Church believed that then these events would be automatically approved and promoted officially.


#19

Romans 8

26In certain ways we are weak, but the Spirit is here to help us. For example, when we don’t know what to pray for, the Spirit prays for us in ways that cannot be put into words. 27All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in the mind of the Spirit, as the Spirit prays for God’s people. 28We know that God is always at work for the good of everyone who loves him. They are the ones God has chosen for his purpose,

34Or can anyone condemn them? No indeed! Christ died and was raised to life, and now **he is at God’s right side, speaking to him for us. **

Hebrews 4:15-16 (King James Version)

15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

First, Christ and the Holy Spirit are both praying for us.
Second, we have front door access to the throne of God.

Therefore, trying to pray to a creature who can not even hear you because she is in a land very far away. Isaiah 33:17

Isaiah 33:17 (King James Version)

Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

Thus praying to the saints, is not a great weapon. It is only a side track to keep you from praying directly to God. One should seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit ( Eph 5:18 ) rather than play games.

This is all said out of respect and concern for your relationship with Jesus.


#20

The Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, and I imagine many of the deformers like Luther all prayed to Mary. Its simply a late evengelical teaching to avoid this because the Church does so.


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