If Martin Luther Was Wrong...

A friend wanted an answer to this question. Since Luther was a heretic, and married a Catholic nun, who married them? Was it a Catholic priest? (doubt it) or who was it?
I really never thought about it until he brought it up. Thanks.

Luther was kool hey.

What does the bible say about marriage?

Who did Jesus (PBWH) say joins man and women?

If Luther had a true marriage it would be this way.

All other ways are because we are so hard to teach.

All good is with the Father.

Luther wasn’t a heretic. He is a saint.

Luther did sooooooooooo much good for God both in the Catholic church and out.

Not saint…taint.

Any one like to buy a ticket to heaven? LOL

No thanks. I’m Catholic. I’ve already got my ticket. :wink:

I don’t know who married Luther and his wife. I’m not sure where you are heading with these questions.

WARNING: This is a Notorious Antisemitic Document!
On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche was born at approximately 10:00am on October 15, 1844. The date coincided with the 49th birthday of the Prussian King, Friedrich Wilhelm IV, after whom Nietzsche was named, and who had been responsible for Nietzsche’s father’s appointment as Röcken’s town minister.

Nietzsche’s grandfathers were also Lutheran ministers, and his paternal grandfather, Friedrich August Ludwig Nietzsche, was further distinguished as a Protestant scholar

Friedrich Nietzsche was a German philosopher of the late 19th century who challenged the foundations of traditional morality and Christianity

After his mother’s death in 1897, his sister Elisabeth – having previously returned home from Paraguay, where she had been working with her husband Bernhard Förster to establish an Aryan, anti-Semitic German colony called “New Germany” (“Nueva Germania”) – assumed responsibility for Nietzsche’s welfare. In an effort to promote her brother’s philosophy, she rented a large house on a hill in Weimar, called the “Villa Silberblick,” and moved both Nietzsche and his collected manuscripts to the residence. This became the new home of the Nietzsche Archives (which was previously located at the family home in Naumburg), where Elisabeth received visitors who wanted to observe the now-incapacitated philosopher
plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/

People in glass houses…

The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice – in all towns, districts, and places – must depart these regions.

~** Pope St. Pius V **(From his Bull, “The Jewish Race,” Feb.26, 1569; PAC, p.648).

1937 February 10 Nazi officials close all Catholic schools in Bavaria.

1937 March 14 A papal encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge (With Burning Sorrow) is published, dealing with the condition of the Catholic Church in Germany and condemning Nazi racism.

1937 March 21 Mit brennender Sorge, is read from the pulpits of all Catholic Churches in Germany on Palm Sunday. It has been smuggled into Germany, secretly printed and distributed by messenger throughout the nation. “With deep anxiety and with ever-growing dismay” Pius XI says he has watched the tribulations of the Catholic Church in Germany. The Concordat of 1933 is now being openly violated, and the conscience of the faithful oppressed as never before. True belief in God, the Pope declares, is irreconcilable with the deification of earthly values such as race, people or the state. Important as these are in the natural order, they can never be the ultimate norm of all things. Belief in a national God or a national religion, similarly is a grave error. The God of Christianity cannot be imprisoned “within the frontiers of a single people, within the pedigree of one single race.” (Lewy)

1937 March 22 The Gestapo confiscates all copies of the Pope’s encyclical it can find. Twelve print shops are soon closed and dispossessed without compensation for having printed the encyclical letter. Strong protests are lodged with the bishops and the Vatican. (Lewy)

1937 March 26 The Pope publishes an encyclical entitled Divini Redemptoris, condemning atheistic Communism.

1937 Spring A decision is made that all German colored children are to be illegally sterilized. After the prerequisite expert reports are provided by Dr. Abel, Dr. Schade, and Professor Fischer, the sterilizations are carried out. (Science)

1937 April 12 The German Foreign Ministry sends a note of protest to Papal Secretary of State Pacelli describing the Pope’s encyclical as a call to battle against the leadership of the German state and a grave violation of the Concordat (See March 21). (Lewy)

1937 April 16 Swiss officials announce that they are refusing to grant permanent resident permits to German Jewish refugees to avoid flooding the labor market

1938 December 16 A remarkable editorial in The New York Daily News says that the Bill of Rights means only "that our government shall not officially discriminate against any religion. It does not mean that Americans are forbidden to dislike other Americans or religions or any other group. Plenty of people just now are exercising their right to dislike the Jews."
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/timebase/1938tbse.htm

NAZIS AWARD PROMINENT AMERICANS
On his 78th birthday, the prestigious German Grand Service Cross of the Golden Eagle was presented to Henry Ford, the famous and fabulously wealthy American car manufacturer, by a German diplomat in the USA on July 30, 1938, on behalf of Adolf Hitler himself. Ford is actually the only American that Hitler even mentions in his book ‘Mein Kampf’. In his book, ‘Entnazifizierung in Bayern’ the German author, Niethammer, suggests that the “failure” of the Americans to bomb the Ford car plant outside Cologne, was all a part of a “capitalist plot” of some kind. Many other well-researched authors have since drawn exactly the same conclusion.

In that same year, the senior executive of the General Motors (German branch) also received the Grand Service Cross of the Golden Eagle award. Coincidentally, his firm had also invested very heavily in Germany. In 1929, General Motors had bought up 80% of the German automobile firm of Opel. The same Golden Eagle award was presented by Herman Göring to the wildly popular (and coincidentally, very wealthy, and highly politically ‘connected’) American aviation hero, Charles Lingbergh, in October, 1938, during his third visit to Germany.
members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/facts.html

The Protestant Reich Church was formed by Adolf Hitler in 1933, by merging 28 regional churches into one church. The founding of the church was the result of work by the German Christians, who had gained a large majority at the 1933 church elections.It was based on Nazi ideas of creating a “positive Christianity”, namely purifying Christianity of any Jewish elements including even the Old Testament, an idea which had existed in a small minority of Christian groups since the time of Marcion of Sinope, but the Protestant Reich Church did so for racial more than theological reasons. Ludwig Müller was elected “Reich Bishop”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reich_Church

The German Christian (Deutsche Christen) group was formed in 1932 and led by Ludwig Müller. The group were supportive of the Nazi ideas about race. They issued public statements that those Christians in Germany who had Jewish ancestors “remain Christians in a New Testament sense, but are not German Christians.” Also they supported the call from the Nazi party platform for a “positive Christianity” that does not stress human sinfulness. Some went so far as to call for removal of the “Jewish” Old Testament from the Bible. The group wanted to form a Reich Church which would bring together all Protestants in Germany. Their symbol was a traditional Christian cross with a swastika in the middle and the group’s German initials “D” and “C”. The Nazis found the group useful during their initial consolidation of power, it was claimed and remembered as a fact that the Jews had killed Christ, thus appealing to and actively encouraging anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians in Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians

WARNING: This is a Notorious Antisemitic Document!
On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)
Translated by Martin H. Bertram
humanitas-international.o…uther-jews.htm

"Moreover, notes historian Thomas Madden, “of all medieval institutions, the [Catholic] Church stood alone in Europe in its consistent condemnation of Jewish persecutions.” Throughout the Middle Ages, Rome and the papal states “were the only places in [western] Europe where the Jews were at all times free from attacks or expulsions.” The Jews were expelled from Crimea in 1016, Paris in 1182, England in 1290, France in 1306, Switzerland in 1348, Hungary in 1349, Provence in 1394, Austria in 1422, Spain in 1492, Lithuania in 1495, and Portugal in 1497, In Italy, however, the Jewish community was under papal protection and was never expelled. Indeed, by the beginning of the fifteenth century, “the only safe place in Europe to be a Jew was in the lands of the pope.”

The Myth of Hitler’s Pope, Rabbi David G. Dalin

Thats the way, do ya reckon Luther purchased one?

All I wanted was one itty bitty question answered…:o I guess no one knows the answer…:blush:

More than likely, Luther and is wife were married by a civil authority, like a judge. Many people were not married in the Church first, but by civil authorities, then had the marriage blessed by the Church.

I agree. Where are you going with this? Does it really matter? What do you think; how would you answer your own question?

I know Luther was wrong. I know he is a heretic. Just was curious who would marry such a man back then.

There you go

So why would you even ask? Just to have the opportunity to bash Luther?

This makes me wonder then how the civil authority as well as the common society within Christendom back in the day of Luther considered marriages.

Today our government prescribes tax breaks for married couples but not single people or those just living together, and there are restrictions on medical information like HIPPA rules apply to legal spouses only. Businesses like insurance companies make coverage/claim payments and programs like Social Security only recognize a legally married couple when spousal benefits are requested. Other than the social acceptance of men in women being able to live together as a couple when a more puritanical and moral minded society existed; what benefit(s) did such a civil union serve then that are different from today?

Today a person can call themselves a preacher of some religion they applied through the mail for and marry people that seemingly is accepted by the civil authority without much question as long as it is blessed by the state for reasons of taxes and business. When did the paradigm shift happen that made religious marriage less important then the civil marriage?

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