If the world banks are in financial crisis and Communism hasn't worked, what is the way forward?!

What ‘System’ have we left to try which is fair and inclusive to all and which does not promote greed and the over-filling of landfill sites or pollution to our beautiful God-given world?

His way.



I totally agree! We need to form an International Christian/Catholic party!!! :smiley:


Scary :eek: …the only theocracy that appeals to me, is the one up in heaven!

Restore the Guilds!

Vote Libertarian:thumbsup:

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Practical Distributism
102 Just Actions that support economic justice, social peace, and world harmony.
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Distributism is an economic philosophy rooted in the social justice teachings of the Catholic Church, popularized earlier this century by writers such as G.K. Chesterton, H. Belloc, Dorothy Day and the early Catholic Workers. The purpose of this page is to suggest ideas for actions that encourage economic justice and social harmony and peace. The page is called “Practical Distributism” because its emphasis is on doing (“praxis”, as the theologians would say), rather than theory. For a more theoretical treatment of the issue, see Distributism: alternative to the brutal global market, by Mark and Louise Zwick of the Houston Catholic Worker, and the Justpeace Distributism Page.
This list contains suggestions, not mandates. It is provided to help people look at their own situation and discern practical ways that they can help build a more just future for themselves, their families, their communities, and their nation. Note that I am not saying that Distributism is identical with Roman Catholicism, although many of its leading exponents have been Catholic. A distributist community could be rooted in any religious or moral faith, but morality is certainly essential. Readers who are not Catholic can obviously adapt these suggestions to their own faith tradition. Building a just community is of necessity an ecumenical journey. Electronically published for the greater glory of God, on the memorial of Our Lady of the Snows, AD 2000.

Are you serious? From reading your other posts, I think this is quite possible, unless you are trying to be jocular.

Re-institute the monarchy!
It worked well (atleast better than what we have today) for hundreds of years!

Your premise is all wrong. There is no such system. The error is in thinking that there might be such a system.

Imagine if we all were perfect human beings. That is to say that we always, in every case acted in perfect charity and perfect freedom. Any system would work just as well. In fact, there would be no need for governments or laws at all. That is what St. Paul means when he says that the law condemns us. Laws and governments and systems are for imperfect human beings. That is why it would seem that the best form of government would be a theocracy, because God’s law is perfect. But there is only one catch. That presupposes that everyone is on board with God.

That is the other issue. Free will. God made us free agents in order that we could love him. If we didn’t have a choice it could never be love. The risk he took was what humanity became since the wrong choice was made by Adam and Eve.

So we know that there are always those who exercise their free will to deny God, and we must, as God does, allow them to do that, wrong as they are.

The best system then, must be based on a large component of liberty, but recognizing that law and government are necessary and by their very essence constitute a restriction of liberty to some extent. There is no such thing as an absolutely free country. So what kind of system, political and economic, maximizes that individual freedom, yet protects its people from the harmful actions of others?

The best system yet devised is the American Republic as it was set up by its founders. It is not perfect, clearly, but it comes closer to accomplishing the maximum freedom that human beings by their God-given nature desire than any other yet tried. Those words life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (not the guarantee of happiness) were put there to state that case.

The problem today is that America is a long way from functioning as the founders intended. The very fact that this entire crisis revolves around what the government should or should not do and this question of whether free-market capitalism is the best system shows how far away from its roots America has strayed. The idea that the system is at fault and the government needs to do something to sustain the economy is an idea quite alien to the founders.

The problem in this financial crisis is not that free-market capitalism didn’t work, rather it was that the markets were not free from interference for a long time. Government intervention and tinkering in the market always messes it up. Regulations and regulators in a financial market are not there to herd the market into implementing social policy, but to ensure that investors are not defrauded.

Socialism has been piggybacking on capitalism in America and is weighing it down. Eventually it will kill it. This “bailout” or “rescue” is a temporary measure and will only work if the right measures are taken to reverse course. Infusing capital by printing money will only go so far. Then this problem will return with a bigger price tag.

You will notice that Catholic social doctrine does not mandate a political or economic system. Rather it teaches morality and how we should act out the command of Christ to love our neighbor. That means how we should treat the poor and so on. It tells governments to act justly and fairly. And that is what the constitution says, that all men are created equal.
The mistake is in thinking that taking care of the poor is the job of the government under Catholic social teaching. Or that Catholic moral teaching is suggesting that a government can somehow take care of a moral problem like greed. A government cannot create virtue, it can only make laws against actions that are evil. The hearts of men are beyond the reach of government.

Now, it is possible that people of good will could decide to make it the job of government to collect and distribute charity. However, if that charity, however generous, is ever made into an entitlement, then it is socialism, redistribution of wealth. The mandate of the government that one citizen has a right to the hard work and toil of another goes against the Catholic doctrine of property rights and is a form of indentured servitude, or slavery. That is not Catholic social doctrine. It is not freedom.

America does not need a new system. It needs to go back to the system it started with.

I don’t control the powers that be, but I think the best thing for all of us to do would be to collevtively bang on the doors of heaven.

I mean, there’s always been money, there’s always been economics, in every society, so the only thing really left to do is focus on God.

We don’t need a new system. The one we have, capitalism, works fine almost all the time. We’ll work our way out of this tough patch, like we always have…Roanoker

You mean, capitalism hasn’t worked, obviously.

Over the course of our country’s (USA) history regulated capitalism has worked very well. The Church is the best system on Earth, but even it has down cycles. Everything has down cycle where humans are involved.

The cause for the down cycles in the church is the same that it was/is for Israel. When they got away from God’s commandments and right worship they went through trials. When they returned to God they prospered. I believe it is the same with our economics. When our morals fail, so does our economy. The time before the Great Depression was also a time of immorality. Now we kill 4000+ babies a day, and in my state we kill adults too through doctor assisted suicide. Our system needs minor adjustments, but our morality needs major adjustments. Individuals drive the economy, and when they make bad decisions based on faulty morality the economy may crash.

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