If we died and went to Heaven, would we immediately have a glorified body?


#1

If not, and only our soul would go to Heaven, wouldn’t this necessarily mean that the body and soul are indeed separate from each other, as believed in much of Judaism?

LOVE! :heart:


#2

Our souls and bodies were made to be inseparable; but the corrupted state of our being has made them separable.

Death is the separation of soul from body; only when dead are the 2 separate. Alive, you are a breathing soul and a thinking body.

When someone is dead, their human body remains, the soul is gone. From the earthly perspective, their being has been separated.

But the soul has no time and leaps “forward” to eternity, where the renewed, breath-filled human body, pneumatikon soma, will instantly restore their aliveness. While your soul is the life, you cannot be alive unless a body holds and expresses the life; those in eternity are alive!

ICXC NIKA!


#3

The resurrection body is nothing at all like the physical body (except, perhaps, in appearance, as Jesus’ was–but he could be unrecognisable if he wanted to be).

So, you can hardly expect to feel the same or even have the same powers (or lack) of intellect that you had in this earthly body. This leads me to think that there is no actual resurrection, but that you get a different body - an infinitely better one.

After all, if your body was blown all over the ocean in WW2, or devoured by a crocodile in 1817, or cremated and tipped in the river, there could hardly be a resurrection of that old, destroyed body. Let’s be realistic here. The whole point is that God gives you a new, magical body that can walk through walls and zip around the universe at will. It might have some distinguishing features (Jesus had, and presumably still has, his wounds), but it’s a new body. There’s no point in retrieving a decrepit, 96-year-old body.


#4

No, no glorified body because of the Final resurrection and the universal Judgement. That means when we die we are judged but the body remains on earth. Only if God raised us like Jesus we would have a glorified body. In the Day of the Judgement nontheless, the body will join the soul.

And I agree with the first reply. Because of the Fall, death can separate the soul from the body.


#5

Well, pneumatikon soma is a human body, ie having a head, hands and feet, skin, neck, kneecaps, etc. It is possible but not established that in bodybuild, etc, pneumatikon soma may somehow resemble the original “human body” that soma came from.

But for a sense of how your pneumatikon soma will look, refer to the description of our LORD in Rev 1.

Other than appearance, our natural bodies as associated with weakness and humbleness. Pneumatikon soma, with power and glory. That says it all.

Our mind is produced by our soul, which remains the same, although knocked unconscious by death. In the head of your pneumatikon soma, your mind will be fully set free!

ICXC NIKA!


#6

We obtain our glorified bodies at the resurrection of the dead, not when we die individually.


#7

BTW, according to Saint Paul, our present body, even reconstituted, is not the pneumatikon soma. It is the seed of the pneumatikon soma.

A seed does not remain intact or keep its form in the formation of the new life it holds; but its dissolution is intrinsic to that formation.

ICXC NIKA


#8

We are getting new immortal bodies that will never be sick or die, in the resurrection. Catholics believe in the resurrection, right?(this is from apostle Paul in the NTestament)


#9

So, in other words, our living soul will immediately go to Heaven if we achieve salvation, right? But does this not imply that the soul can have life independently of the body?

LOVE! :heart:


#10

Its a good question. I wonder about when we die, our soul is what keeps us alive, so when we die our soul which can not die moves on to heaven.

Another question would be, did our souls ever exist before they were given to our bodies at conception?

:thumbsup:


#11

According to official Catholic doctrine, the soul is immortal and can indeed have life independent of the corporeal body.

The problem is that in American English vernacular, some have begun to define the word “resurrection” to mean “come back to life.” It doesn’t mean that at all. It is not uncommon to hear people of various denominations, including Catholics, to mistakenly say things like; “Our souls are resurrected to life in heaven after we die.” This is not possible.

The word “resurrection” comes from the Greek word “anastasis,” and it means “to stand up [again].” It ONLY refers to the reanimation of a *physical or corporeal *body. Because the Greeks believed that death signaled a permanent release of the immortal soul from the body, many made fun of St. Paul when he mentioned the future resurrection of the dead as recorded at Acts 17:31-32, which states in part:

When they heard about resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff.

This is a good way to show the difference between the two concepts. Because of accepting only the belief of an immortal soul and believing that the body hampered true happiness for the soul, many Greeks found the message of a coming resurrection as unnecessary and even distasteful. “Why raise the body if the soul is already free to live in eternity after death?” many thought.

Because the word “resurrection” ONLY refers to raising a dead body, those who use it to describe life after death are incorrect. The physical resurrection will occur at the end of history when:

All who are in the tombs will hear [Jesus’] voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.–John 5:28, 29.

Souls that have experienced the Beatific Vision after death will at the end of history be reunited with a supernatural body and experience the “resurrection of life.” Those who have chosen an eternity of separation from God will also experience a raising of the body, but it will be a “resurrection of condemnation.” But this is on “the last day,” not upon an individual’s death.–See John 11:23-25, ff.

While Paul gives some details about what this is to entail at 1 Corinthians chapter 15, he is not fully explicit. Even the apostle John states: “Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”–1 John 3:2.

Regardless of what the details truly are, the event of the resurrection does not occur “until the times of universal restoration of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets from of old,” when “creation itself would be set free from slavery to corruption and share in the glorious freedom of the children of God.”–Acts 3:21; Romans 8:21.

For more information see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1038-1050.


#12

Unlike the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) who believe in a preexistence for each individual, the Church teaches differently.

The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.–Catechism of the Catholic Church, 366.

The rational soul is produced by special creation at the moment when the organism is sufficiently developed to receive it.–Catholic Encyclopedia, 1917, “Soul.”


#13

Thank you guys!

Not Catholic teaching, but it may be interesting to view the following, which strongly suggests that the body and soul are separate:

“Just as a blind man is unable to form any idea about colors, or a deaf person to fathom what it means to hear sounds… so the body cannot comprehend the delights of the soul… For we live in a material world, and the only kind of pleasure we can understand is that experienced through our body. But the joys of the spirit are everlasting and ceaseless. There is no resemblance of any kind between the enjoyments of the soul and those of the body.”
–Maimonides


#14

OK I have to pick your mind, the Transfiguration, am I to understand this that Jesus Christ showed the apostles what was to come with a glorified state? So then, what about Elijah and Mose’s.


#15

Thank you, God Bless, Memaw


#16

Indeed!

ICXC NIKA


#17

Hello DJ.

Very good answer and more than Robert asked for I think. Keep it up!

Glenda


#18

God tells us we will have glorified bodies on the “last day”. When we die, (even if the “last day” hasn’t yet occurred in earth time), we ourselves become outside of earth time, so the waiting for the last day and the perfected bodies, the new heavens and earth etc. would no longer be waiting. We would be experiencing the fullness of time always, right? So, if glorified bodies are to one day be, when we die, and are in all days, then we would immediately receive our glorified bodies it would seem. We still speak of it as a future event while temporally alive in our worm food bodies, but I would think our death removes the wait for earth time to end. For this very reason, I believe purgatory to be instantaneous from an earth time perspective as well, since it occurs on the other side of the veil where all things ‘are’, at all times. Nothing should be “becoming”, nor in the past.

My 2 cents.

God bless and keep you,

Steve


#19

Don’t forget Purgatory :slight_smile: And the Communion of the Saints is a proof that the souls continue to live. Moreover, We all know that God is the God of the living, even of the ones who “sleep”.


#20

Yes


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