If you're looking for a debate


#1

If you’re interested in sharpening your debating skills, then you should check out this site. There’s a bloke there by the name of Doctor Doom who fancies himself a past master at debating Catholics. If you want have a go at debating him though, be warned: He’s a terminal case basically, who’ll attempt to dismiss any point you make out of hand.

Good apologetics workout though.


#2

WOW… thats all i can say on that site… even some catholics on there are debating against the one guy supporting the truth!! and with "Specious piffle. " All i can do in the matter is pray for them… anyone feel knowledgeable and can help this guy out??


#3

“So someone explain this to me, by using the Bible. (no vatican doc.)”

English translation, "Turn Protestant and then defend Catholic doctrine."http://forums.catholic.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


#4

2 things ive notice:

1, Protestants(and all others) have no clue what Catholics beleive
2, Catholics, for the most, have no clue what we believe either

why do non-Catholics have such a hard time accepting the Christ-given authourity of the church?? only when they understand that, will they understand the rest…(which is most of my trouble with my protestant girlfriend…haha) :smiley:
God Bless
James:irish1:


#5

[quote=jax8686]2 things ive notice:

1, Protestants(and all others) have no clue what Catholics beleive
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But they want to TELL us what we believe – then attack us for supposedly believing it.http://forums.catholic.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[quote=jax8686]2, Catholics, for the most, have no clue what we believe either
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And there are a lot of anti-Catholic trolls who count on that.

[quote=jax8686]why do non-Catholics have such a hard time accepting the Christ-given authourity of the church?? only when they understand that, will they understand the rest…(which is most of my trouble with my protestant girlfriend…haha) :smiley:
God Bless
James:irish1:
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Go and watch episodes of the old “Star Trek.” Star Trek is a metaphor for this problem – they have this wonderful, idealistic “Prime Directive” and they violate it in every episode – because if they didn’t, they’d have no show.

Similarly, if Protestants accepted the Magisterium, they’d ahve no show – they’d have to become Catholics.


#6

The scandals don’t help too much. Here’s some examples of questions a nonCatholic might be asking himself:
Is it better to confess to a priest who goes around giving talks and supporting the North American Man Boy Love Association, and ??!!, etc., or is it better to confess directly to God?
Is the true Church the one that has Catholic colleges such as Holy Cross College of Worcester, MA, celebrate Ash Wednesday by showing lewd plays such as the V_monologues, where a teen age girl attains her personal salvation by being initiated into lesbian activities by an older lady?
Is the true Chruch the one where priests write pornography, and use lewd blasphemous language and expressions in their writings, such as we see from the CAtholic priest, FAther Andrew Greeley?
Questions being raised about lurid scandals at Catholic seminaries.


#7

[quote=Hospitaller]If you’re interested in sharpening your debating skills, then you should check out this site. There’s a bloke there by the name of Doctor Doom who fancies himself a past master at debating Catholics. If you want have a go at debating him though, be warned: He’s a terminal case basically, who’ll attempt to dismiss any point you make out of hand.

Good apologetics workout though.
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Kinda like practicing your backstroke in an empty pool. You’ll really get a workout! But you’ll get nowhere.


#8

[quote=alfredo]The scandals don’t help too much. Here’s some examples of questions a nonCatholic might be asking himself:
Is it better to confess to a priest who goes around giving talks and supporting the North American Man Boy Love Association, and ??!!, etc., or is it better to confess directly to God?
Is the true Church the one that has Catholic colleges such as Holy Cross College of Worcester, MA, celebrate Ash Wednesday by showing lewd plays such as the V_monologues, where a teen age girl attains her personal salvation by being initiated into lesbian activities by an older lady?
Is the true Chruch the one where priests write pornography, and use lewd blasphemous language and expressions in their writings, such as we see from the CAtholic priest, FAther Andrew Greeley?
Questions being raised about lurid scandals at Catholic seminaries.
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There is no question that poor leadership has hurt the Church. The failure of many bishops to enforce Catholic standards of conduct and decency have cost us dearly.


#9

I see little point in debating Ferrous Cranus

Scott


#10

That Doctor Doom guy just annoyed me. No need to argue, his comments paint a pretty clear picture.


#11

Wow…there definitely is some viciousness in that thread. Sometimes I view debates on forums like these and wonder how many “Christians” have forgotten the spirit of goodness and humility that believers are supposed to exemplify.

Colossians 3:12-13
Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, heartfelt compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience, bearing with one another and forgiving one another, if one has a grievance against another; as the Lord has forgiven you, so must you also do.

Not to mention the “fruits of the spirit”…


#12

[quote=jax8686]2 things ive notice:

1, Protestants(and all others) have no clue what Catholics beleive
2, Catholics, for the most, have no clue what we believe either

why do non-Catholics have such a hard time accepting the Christ-given authourity of the church?? only when they understand that, will they understand the rest…(which is most of my trouble with my protestant girlfriend…haha) :smiley:
God Bless
James:irish1:
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James,
Hi. I believe Authority is the real stumbling block, particularly for Americans who drip with rugged individalism (and rightly so, since that is what made our country so strong so quickly). Americans love to question authority by nature. I’m a strong believer in small, non-intrusive government…the nerve telling me I’m too stupid to save my own money, my own way (SS is a scam!!!)
However, when it comes to the CC - authority is absolute and absolutely necessary. I continually ask myself…"How can they have such a strong - non-flexible belief in the Bible w/o beliving in the infallibility of the institution that established it"
Two things. The history of the Bible/Canon…along with an understanding of the facts related to the printing press and literacy. A great but quick read: *Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church *by Fr Henry G. Graham. Available at CA
An Understanding of Infallibility. If you can understand Infallibility and its limitations (and really see its purpose), it becomes palatable and makes sense.
Good Luck,
Dano


#13

i guess i shoulda mentioned that "why do non-Catholics have such a hard time accepting the Christ-given authourity of the church?? was a rhetorica question…haha… but thanks for the insite of different opinions


#14

[quote=jax8686]i guess i shoulda mentioned that "why do non-Catholics have such a hard time accepting the Christ-given authourity of the church?? was a rhetorica question…haha… but thanks for the insite of different opinions
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Hi jax8686,
I am not a Roman Catholic but I agree with Christ’s authority of the church. Just not the Roman Catholic Church. I view Roman Catholics as members of the church who have yet to build their faith sufficiently in the Holy Spirit to trust in Him. You are still babies feeding on milk and trusting in men. By all of your words you announce your lack of understanding of walking in the Spirit. By all of the words you dont say, you testify to the lack of the Spirit leading you. You haven’t let go of the apron strings and tried walking yet, walking according to His leading. I am not saying this is true of all catholics, just the ones I seem to meet. I was talking to a catholic and he told me that Mother Theresa must have been mistaken when she said she was dry. It is sad when one accidently accuses another, who the Roman Catholic wishes to promote to sainthood, of being untruthful. If one has the Holy Spirit working in their life, I can assure you , you are fully aware and thankful and will most willingly give glory to Him. We give thanks to you Holy Jesus for the gift of the Holy Spirit, our blessing comforter, who saves us continually, who strengthens us continually, who heals us continually, who protects us continually, who leads us continually and who exuberantly fills us to rejoicing.
one who believes in Christ’s authority
walk in love
edwinG


#15

[quote=edwinG]Hi jax8686,
I am not a Roman Catholic but I agree with Christ’s authority of the church. Just not the Roman Catholic Church. I view Roman Catholics as members of the church who have yet to build their faith sufficiently in the Holy Spirit to trust in Him. You are still babies feeding on milk and trusting in men. By all of your words you announce your lack of understanding of walking in the Spirit.
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fair enough, i guess.

can you explain to us how, in trusting your understanding of scripture, you are not “trusting in man”?

could you also explain how you know you’re walking in the spirit when countless others believe just as strongly that they’re walking in the spirit even though they disagree with you about many passages of scripture? how do you know?

thanks.


#16

[quote=john doran]fair enough, i guess.

can you explain to us how, in trusting your understanding of scripture, you are not “trusting in man”?

could you also explain how you know you’re walking in the spirit when countless others believe just as strongly that they’re walking in the spirit even though they disagree with you about many passages of scripture? how do you know?

thanks.
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Therein lies the problem. Truth is unitary – there cannot be several conflicting versions of the truth and all of them be true.

Yet there are about 33,000 different Christian sects in the United States alone – all of them professing to teach the truth.

The Catholic Church reaches right back to the time of Christ, constant, consistent and coherent. The Church’s Magisterium results in a single message.

When Protestantism appeared, the coherency disappeared in the break-away sects. Can there be any more conclusive proof of the validity of the Magisterium than the single, unified Catholic Church compared to 33,000 quarreling Protestent sects?


#17

IF you like verbal sparing sessions with folks who won’t listen to what you believe but who eagerly point out what they think or have read about what you believe, that site may be your cup of tea.

You may get more satisfaction from putting you hand in a vise and having someone turn it until every bone is crushed into little pieces.
wc


#18

[quote=wcknight]IF you like verbal sparing sessions with folks who won’t listen to what you believe but who eagerly point out what they think or have read about what you believe, that site may be your cup of tea.

You may get more satisfaction from putting you hand in a vise and having someone turn it until every bone is crushed into little pieces.
wc
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Debates like this (with fanatical fundamentalists) are only recreational. But who knows? Some soul may be saved by reading one of these debates.


#19

[quote=vern humphrey]Debates like this (with fanatical fundamentalists) are only recreational. But who knows? Some soul may be saved by reading one of these debates.
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If such were possible it may be worth a few crushed fingers…


#20

[quote=wcknight]If such were possible it may be worth a few crushed fingers…
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As Rudyard Kippling said (on a somewhat different subject), “You never can tell 'til you’ve tried one, and then you are apt to be wrong.”


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