Increase twice the size of Germany: "colder weather" to blame

Increase twice the size of Germany: “colder weather” to blame.

 	 	    Data from the National Snow and Ice [Data Center]("http://www.dailytech.com/Arctic+Sees+Massive+Gain+in+Ice+Coverage/article12851.htm#") (NSIDC) has indicated a dramatic increase in sea ice extent in the Arctic regions. The growth over the past year covers an area of 700,000 square kilometers: an amount twice the size the nation of Germany. 

With the Arctic melting season over for 2008, ice cover will continue to increase until melting begins anew next spring.

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Yesterday I read where a huge chunk fell in the ocean and this was due to warming. Geeshhhhhh!

Did you hear about the dolts trying to kayak to the North Pole?

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/adventures-in-arctic-kayaking/

My favorite part of the story:

Entries from Sam Branson’s Arctic diary - In the mirror.co.uk

  • My split feelings about this news remind me of another paradox of my expedition up here - the fact that I am spending my days paddling in ice-cold water, with a frozen, painful backside, trying to bring to the attention of the world and its leaders the necessity of stopping the world heating up.*

Anyone else catch the irony of a guy trying to prove the Earth is heating up by kayaking through ice. Then complains that no one is paying attention.

That’s just loopy.

Its funny how many “facts” there are on this subject (kind of like studying the bible):

Arctic ice shrinks to second-lowest level ever
COMBINED NEWS SERVICES August 28, 2008 Arctic sea ice, which melts partly during each polar summer, has shrunk more this year than in any on record except for 2007, the National Snow and Ice Data Center has found.

Scientists said the data provided more ominous indications that a global warming “tipping point” in the Arctic seems to be happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is now at its second lowest level in about 30 years.

With several weeks left of the melting season, the **National Snow and Ice Data Center **reported yesterday that sea ice in the Arctic now covers about 2.03 million square miles. The lowest point since satellite measurements began in 1979 was 1.65 million square miles, measured on Sept. 16, 2007.

Declining ice as a result of warmer temperatures in the air and ocean threatens to amplify global warming because the sea is darker than ice and absorbs more sunlight. Last year, for the first time during the melt season, ships were able to travel in the Northwest Passage, a stretch of water connecting the northern Atlantic and Pacific oceans through Canada.

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For the first time in recorded human history, the Arctic is completely surrounded by open water, new satellite images reveal.
Using images from NASA, scientists at the University of Bremen in Germany have concluded that both the Northwest Passage over Canada and the Northeast Passage over Russia are now free of ice, making it possible to sail around the North Pole.
Still, Arctic sea ice is not at the lowest level on record: According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado, Boulder, that occurred on Sept. 21, 2005. But scientists say that the rate of disappearance – 10 percent in the last decade – is far surpassing their predictions. As my colleague Pete Spotts noted in this blog last week, scientists believe that the Arctic could be ice-free decades earlier than their initial predictions.
“No matter where we stand at the end of the melt season,” NSIDC scientist Mark Serreze told Reuters reporter Deborah Zabarenko last week, “it’s just reinforcing this notion that Arctic ice is in its death spiral.”

and:
Those who do not believe that global warming is occurring often argue that, while Arctic sea ice is melting, ice in the Antarctic is growing. This is partly true: Ice in the eastern part of the southern continent have increased in recent years. But a paper issued by the** National Aeronautics and Space Administration** explains that this increase, counterintuitive as it may seem, is consistent with rising global temperatures:
Typically, warming of the climate leads to increased melting rates of sea ice cover and increased precipitation rates. However, in the Southern Ocean, with increased precipitation rates and deeper snow, the additional load of snow becomes so heavy that it pushes the Antarctic sea ice below sea level. This results in even more and even thicker sea ice when the snow refreezes as more ice. Therefore, the paper indicates that some climate processes, like warmer air temperatures increasing the amount of sea ice, may go against what we would normally believe would occur.

Except there’s enough information out there to prove that global tempretures AREN’t rising, and that sea levels AREN’T getting warmer, they’re staying about the same, and that the ice levels are at their HIGHEST since 1970, not their lowest, and that ice cap melts happen, and have always happened throught history, and that greenland was called “Greenland” because the vikings used to farm there before the 12th centurary, and that no one can really prove anything on the issue.

What’s your point. THis has nothing to do with the bible.

Christ provided us with the successor of Peter so we wouldn’t have to worry about “Opinions” when it comes to issues of scripture and morality, and teachings, and dogma. That’s what papal infalibility is all about.

Global warming, on the other hand, IS a matter of opinion, and concesous, with many, MANY different varying and acceptble opinions.

Except there’s enough information out there to prove that global tempretures AREN’t rising,

No, that’s wrong. Demonstrably so.

**The highest global surface temperature in more than a century of instrumental data was recorded in the 2005 calendar year in the GISS annual analysis. However, the error bar on the data implies that 2005 is practically in a dead heat with 1998, the warmest previous year.

Our analysis, summarized in Figure 1 above, uses documented procedures for data over land (1), satellite measurements of sea surface temperature since 1982 (2), and a ship-based analysis for earlier years (3). Our estimated error (2σ, 95% confidence) in comparing nearby years, such as 1998 and 2005, increases from 0.05°C in recent years to 0.1°C at the beginning of the 20th century. Error sources include incomplete station coverage, quantified by sampling a model-generated data set with realistic variability at actual station locations, and partly subjective estimates of data quality problems (4).

Record warmth in 2005 is notable, because global temperature has not received any boost from a tropical El Niño this year. The prior record year, 1998, on the contrary, was lifted 0.2°C above the trend line by the strongest El Niño of the past century.

Global warming is now 0.6°C in the past three decades and 0.8°C in the past century. It is no longer correct to say that “most global warming occurred before 1940”. More specifically, there was slow global warming, with large fluctuations, over the century up to 1975 and subsequent rapid warming of almost 0.2°C per decade.

Recent warming coincides with rapid growth of human-made greenhouse gases. Climate models show that the rate of warming is consistent with expectations (5). The observed rapid warming thus gives urgency to discussions about how to slow greenhouse gas emissions (6).
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data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/

What did the satellites show around 1900?:smiley:

Ya the un funny thing is. he nearly made it. The thing is the world is getting hotter. The north pole. that feeds the northern hemisphere oceans and seas. is melting. and with out it there will be no food in the seas. even in areas such as the mediterranean and caribbean seas… Now you can point to cold spots in the world, where the weather has been a little colder than previous years. and it means nothing. some people need to stop being ostriches.

Quick question. If 1 year ago the ice covered 1.65 million miles and it now measures 2.03 million, you don’t have to be a math geek to realize that’s a 23% increase from the same point in time a year ago. I realize the 1.65 million was the low point in the last 150 million years (oops, 29 years - a huge statistical dataset ober the 4.5 billion year history of earth, to be sure), but a 23% increase in 1 year’s time doesn’t represent melting ice to me…am I missing something?

No, the “un-funny” thing is you actually believe he “nearly made it”. Did you even read his comments? He wasn’t even close. And now that the the sun setting for the next few months, he ain’t even gonna come close.

Will the real ostrich please stand up.

what r u talking about?:eek:

(Barbarian mentions warming continues)

What did the satellites show around 1900?

Thermometers showed that it was a lot cooler than it is today. Not high-tech, but still pretty useful. Would you like to see the data?

If by “Data” you’re refering to the Hockey Stick graph, that was found to be a result of faulty research.

Would you like to see the data behind that?

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