Independent Baptists & "Good Wednesday"?


#1

The following questions came up during recent conversations with an Independent Baptist friend;

Jesus was in the ground for 3 days and 3 nights and rose from the dead on Sunday. Why do most Christians recognize Friday as the day of Jesus’ death? Shouldn’t everyone, (like her church), teach that He died on a Wednesday?

Also, she claims that Independent Baptists have been around since the time of Christ and aren’t Protestant because they were never Catholic. Is there any truth to this?


#2

Can’t speak to the days you mentioned, but as regards the idea of Baptists traced all the way to Christ–it’s baloney called Baptist Successionism based on special pleading, arguing from silence and lots of wishful thinking. See this: The Trail of Blood-Baptist Successionism

Scott


#3

[quote=Cubby]The following questions came up during recent conversations with an Independent Baptist friend;

Jesus was in the ground for 3 days and 3 nights and rose from the dead on Sunday. Why do most Christians recognize Friday as the day of Jesus’ death? Shouldn’t everyone, (like her church), teach that He died on a Wednesday?
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because friday was the day He was crucified on. the scriptures said that the next day was the sabbath (saturday) which is the whole reason the women were coming back on sunday (they were going to finish some of the burial rites which could not be completed because of the sabbath). so, to deny friday as the day Jesus was crucified is to deny the scriptures as being the word of God (and i’ve never met an independent baptist who would do that). Jesus died on friday and was in the grave before sundown (1 day), all day saturday (2 days), and sunday morning (3rd day He rose again). 3 days.

[quote=Cubby]Also, she claims that Independent Baptists have been around since the time of Christ and aren’t Protestant because they were never Catholic. Is there any truth to this?
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no truth to it at all. everyone was a part of the “one” (katholikos) church or “The Way” as the first century Christians also called it. yes, it was made up of many different gatherings in different cities, but they were all in communion with one another and the were the “one, holy catholic and apostolic church”. independent baptists are protesting the catholic church still and thus, they are protestants. your friend is sadly mistaken and probably is just repeating what she heard from her pastor who, is himself, just repeating what he was taught. anyone who has ever researched this at all would know this stance is very incorrect.


#4

Thanks for the posts. The article in regards to “Trail of Blood” will be extremely helpful and it will be interesting to see her response to a Bible-based reference that refutes the claim of a Wednesday crucifixion.

Peace


#5

If you use a concordance and locate the places in the New Testament where “the third day” is mentioned, you’ll have proof that the expression means “day after tomorrow.” Jesus was buried on Friday and Sunday was “the third day.” Although he predicted that he would be in the grave for “three days and three nights,” that is a figure of speech; any part of a day counted as “a day and a night.”

We wouldn’t use language that way, but we have no right to tell the New Testament speakers how they are permitted to use language. We don’t tell them what “three days and three nights” means; they tell us.

(I’ve hung out with these “Good Wednesday” guys for years and they never cease to amaze me.)


#6

[quote=Cubby]The following questions came up during recent conversations with an Independent Baptist friend;

Jesus was in the ground for 3 days and 3 nights and rose from the dead on Sunday. Why do most Christians recognize Friday as the day of Jesus’ death? Shouldn’t everyone, (like her church), teach that He died on a Wednesday?

Also, she claims that Independent Baptists have been around since the time of Christ and aren’t Protestant because they were never Catholic. Is there any truth to this?
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Here is a short article on the history of the Baptists: bartleby.com/65/ba/Baptists.html

I once read a very good book The Baptists that talked not only about their origin, but also covered the many splits that have occured in the Baptist Church. I have the author’s name at home and will try to remember to find it for you. The author also wrote a book on the Catholic Church, but I have never found the book. I would like to read it because I liked The Baptists and I wanted to see what she had to say about the Catholic Church.


#7

The days were not counted then as we do now.

The Romans would count this way. From noon Monday to noon Tuesday …would be TWO DAYS!.

They count any part of Monday as one day, and any part of Tuesday as one day.

So from 3PM Friday to 3AM on Sunday would be how many days?
**Count them: *one day for Friday, one day for Saturday and one day for that part of Sunday.

Jesus was in the tomb for three (3) Roman days!


The Romans knew about Malaria. Common Malaria has a rise in fever every two days. They called it 'Tertiary Mal Aria" They thought it was caused by the bad air in the swamps- not the mosquitos, ha ha ha ha They didnt have microscopes!


#8

[quote=Exporter]The days were not counted then as we do now.

The Romans would count this way. From noon Monday to noon Tuesday …would be TWO DAYS!.

They count any part of Monday as one day, and any part of Tuesday as one day.

So from 3PM Friday to 3AM on Sunday would be how many days?
**Count them: *one day for Friday, one day for Saturday and one day for that part of Sunday.

Jesus was in the tomb for three (3) Roman days!


The Romans knew about Malaria. Common Malaria has a rise in fever every two days. They called it 'Tertiary Mal Aria" They thought it was caused by the bad air in the swamps- not the mosquitos, ha ha ha ha They didnt have microscopes!
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The ignorance of apostolic tradition leads to such bad interpretation of scripture and inventive tradition. Much like the adventist who worship on Saturday because they fail to recognize the catholic tradition on Sunday. By cutting themselves off from the church your tradition becomes indivdualistic as your interpretation of scripture. So just ignroe the fact has been doing it right for 2000 years and invent your own tradition of men. Prots accuse us of doing that but inevetably they end up contradicting apostolic teaching that has been with us since the apsotles because of their ignorance of tradition.


#9

[quote=All4lifetoo]Here is a short article on the history of the Baptists: bartleby.com/65/ba/Baptists.html

I once read a very good book The Baptists that talked not only about their origin, but also covered the many splits that have occured in the Baptist Church. I have the author’s name at home and will try to remember to find it for you. The author also wrote a book on the Catholic Church, but I have never found the book. I would like to read it because I liked The Baptists and I wanted to see what she had to say about the Catholic Church.
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Okay, the authors of *The Baptists *are Anne Devereaux Jordan and J.M. Stifle. The publisher is Hippocrene Books copyrighted 1990. ISBN 0-87052-784-3.

I was mistaken about the book on the Catholic Church. It was the same publisher, but different author. Anne Devereaux Jordan did write another book The Seventh-Day Adventists: A HIstory.


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