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I am considering coming into the church proper.
I consider the Pope of the Catholic church a spiritual leader of the whole church on Earth, and I am prepared to follow his word to some extent between "as I like" and "utterly". I am working on how I slide the slider all the way up that scale, so here's my question:
1) on what basis do we believe in apostolic succession after St Peter
2) on what basis do we believe in the infallibility of a pope or any human being
I guess I am seeking an expert answer that lacks any convolution which is difficult to swallow, for two reasons - firstly I need an answer for myself that I can give when my time comes, and secondly I am going to be asked about this when I give religious guidance to others which I sometimes have to do - because I have not done so on this point before.
I would direct you to the Epistle of Clement of Rome to Corinth...with select quotes:
1Clem 42:4 So preaching everywhere in country and town, they appointed their firstfruits, when they had proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons unto them that should believe.
1Clem 44:2 For this cause therefore, having received complete foreknowledge, they appointed the aforesaid persons, and afterwards they provided a continuance, that if these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed to their ministration.
57:1 Do ye, therefore, that have laid the foundation of the sedition submit yourselves to the presbyters, and be chastised to repentance, bending the knees of your hearts.
57:2 Learn to submit yourselves, laying aside the vain and haughty self-will of your tongues; for it is better that you should be small and approved in the flock of Christ, rather than that, seeming to be superior to others, ye should be cast out of his hope
59:1 But if some should be disobedient to the things spoken by him through us, let them know that they will entangle themselves in no small transgression and danger,
And the example of St. Paul:
Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days.
Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.
Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the two passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose...to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.
And lastly...if there is no Apostolic succession...how are we going to apply this passage:
from 1John 4.....6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.