I am not good at short snappy answers. Of course it has to be a true answers. Here is my question: On a non-religious forum that widely reflects the cultural ignorance and hostility to Christianity, I mentioned Holy Innocents Day and someone asked, simply, “I wonder how many innocents Christianity has killed in the centuries since?”
This person is not asking for a deep discussion, but I can’t just let this go without some *short *defense. Plus, I get very annoyed, and that does not help my argument. Any ideas?
Those who did it “in the name of Christianity” used Christianity as an excuse for their own ends. Killing innocents is not what we teach. Even Jesus had a betrayer of all He taught among His Twelve.
As to the priest scandal, yes, in the same way we have betrayers in the Priesthood, and becoming Catholic does not magically make you stop sinning all of the sudden against your will. However, what most people do not realize is that you are FAR, FAR more likely to be molested in a public school setting than in a Catholic Church.
The point, however, is that when a Catholic or a Christian of another fellowship begins to say anything that sounds like an excuse, the non-believer immediately shuts off.
Why not simply say: “You have a point. Many people have done bad things in the name of Christianity…and yet, they were wrong to do so, because killing innocent children is not what Jesus taught us to do.”
Now, how can anyone disagree with you? Instead, you’ve opened the door to a discussion on how important it is for us to follow what Jesus actually said and not simply what we want to believe He said.
That’s going to be a very different conversation than you’ll have by simply saying, “Christians never killed any children.”
I think for a short retort, say “well when you can find one innocent that was deliberately killed for Christ in order to advanced His Kingdom, let me know”. I guess I would rethink my involvement in a hostile forum if you are going to be out numbered or out gunned. Maybe that it just me.
Well, good luck to you. I guess you are braver than myself or I am too old and battle weary. Probably the later. I understand what the other poster was saying in that yes there have been, are and will be Christians that have “killed” children. Yes, some of that stuff did happen during war times like the crusades and casualities have always been a part of every war no matter who was fighting in it. But to make a blanket statement the in a name of Christ children are directly killed to advanced the kingdom is a bogus brainless argument. I thought of another retort to the comment, " Oh you mean those ISIS type guys right, You must have your religions mixed up… You must mean those guys over there in the middle east that are going around capturing, raping and killing women and children right?" This way you put their ignorant and stupid statements back on them. Good luck!
Ok here is the old Protestant in me coming out. Real Christians have killed no one accept in self defense and just war (crusades for example, wwII). Just because someone says they are a christian, and goes to church does not make them a christian.
Our lord said to beware of the wolf (non-christian) in sheep’s clothing (pretending to be a christian). And he said we would know them by their fruits (how they act).
Killing innocent people is not a fruit of the holy spirit.
I would also point out that the number of deaths at the hands of christians is not nearly as high as they think.
Accepting examples of Christians murdering people while claiming that this shouldn’t in any way affect a person’s impression of Christianity is a bit naive. We judge philosophies based on their fruits expressed in individuals all the time, both good and bad. You can’t point to examples of Christian charity in order to laud Christianity while ignoring cases of individual Christians doing atrocious things. It’ll take a little more fleshing out than that.