Interesting article from a gay man about the abuse


#88

Thank you for saying that. Not to mention that the LGBT community wants NOTHING to do with pedophiles and child molesters so to say that people who identify as LGBT are like that is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.


#89

There’s a whole bunch of “conservative” (or more accurately, anti LGBT) trolls posing as gay pedophiles to make people angry at the community for supporting pedophiles. So I’m usually extremely skeptical when it comes to stuff like thing. There seems to be an agenda.

No normal person, gay or not, would support such a horrible thing. And as mentioned earlier, we need to focus on preventing sexual abuse from all kinds of people, not just homosexual men.


#90

Look, I’ve known and had contact with a good number of gay men. They are not different in their level of mental health than other groups…other than the fact that there are a good number that are rejected by their families and the young ones end up living on the street. You help their mental health by coming to terms with the fact that many knew their sexual orientation well before adulthood.


#91

It would be good then to understand what happened during the cover ups before postulating that one sub-group of Priests was most likely the cause. Of course stopping abuse beforehand is highly desirable, but again demanding the Church deal with reality instead of protecting its image is where the real solution lays.


#93

The sex scandals in the church are overwhelming pedophilic, not homosexual. There is a difference between being attracted to the same sex, and being attracted to children. There is a huge difference. Im not saying either is right, but same sex attraction is not child attraction.


#94

In the US, the John Jay report shows that 80% of the victims were post-pubescent males.

That means the vast majority of cases did not involve pedophilia.

And that the vast majority were homosexual in nature (whether due to the innate or situational idea of the homosexual nature of the act).


#95

The author, which I quoted, implied that he could not stop his sexual urges. He’s making the stretch that this applied to gay me in general. Would you like a gay person to generalize that Catholic sexual relations require no enjoyment for the woman and are really just designed produce babies? Of course not.


#96

Maybe you can help me understand the use of the term “homophobia”. Is the Church -afraid- (or do they fear) homosexuals? I’d suggest calling an individual or an organization homophobic is a misuse of the term unless they fear homosexuals. And why would anyone fear homosexuals? Weird word.

(assuming you were referring to advice from a priest to someone discerning the priesthood)

Why? What’s the difference? Are homosexuals or men with same-sex attractions less capable remaining celibate than their heterosexual counterparts? Isn’t this entire statement an indictment of same-sex attracted men towards lack of control? Is the drive of the same-sex attracted man towards another man that much a greater of an attraction than the heterosexual mans attraction toward a woman? This sounds like an excuse.


#97

They also mentioned a study.


#98

Does it matter? If we are going to make a big deal about this, then we just get to redefine them as rape (including sex with a minor) or sexual assault. Feel better? Even if there are more gay or pedophiles, would you consider that they may be a self-selecting group looking to hide behind Priestly Chasity?

What is on trial here is the ACTS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. It has been suppressing SEX crimes for decades and those do reflect a significant enough number of pedophiles. It does not matter if it was gay or whatever. If we are to obsess over the John Jay report, it appears to be from 2011; the Grand Jury had access to much more information.

Anyway, we have known for decades that there was a world wide problem with this. It took easily a decade for the Church to institute a zero tolerance policy. Yes, most of them have occurred in the somewhat decent past. BUT, the Catholic church wrote victim accusations off for years and in more than a few cases played financial games to limit civil liabilities. How unchristian and cynical can you be?


#99

Right. It is like advising a serial adulterer to keep it to just one man’s wife.


#100

Yes it does matter. Age is a big factor in the seriousness of the sin. The lower the age the worse the sin.


#101

I agree, but some are using this to defend the institution of the Church. It failed big time in an area it preaches against.


#102

What I find disturbing is that some posters here are concluding that having one sexual disorder inclines one to another sexual disorder.

Having SSA does not necessarily incline one to pedophilia.


#103

But the Church isn’t homophobic and her teachings are just. I’m one of those young same sex attracted men and I find the Church’s teachings liberating, also there is an Apostolate created by the Church for those who experience same sex attraction, it’s called Courage. I’ve read up on this organization and I hope I can join soon because it has what I need to carry this cross.

Perhaps this Apostolate should be more available so that way people can find what they need there and not what they hope to find in the Priesthood…


#104

This reminds me of a single friend of mine who was accused of being gay by her brother simply because she was single. She’s not by the way.

This same brother also thought that having SSA inclined one to other sexual disorders and proceeded to ban my friend from ever seeing her nieces, because her brother was afraid of her molesting them.

If you think that people with SSA are more likely to be sex offenders, what do you think should be done with them?


#105

I think that we should encourage them not to act on their disordered sexual impuslse. I think we should get rid of pornography and sex shops. I’d say it is an article of faith, from the first chapter of Romans, that acting out on impure sexual desires causes depravity. I’d say that makes sense just upon reflection. What you feed will grow.

I really don’t understand the problem. I am a male. Males are more likely to commit all sorts of crimes. I don’t get bent out of shape if that is pointed out. I don’t deny that truth. I don’t feel the need to point out that I myself don’t commit crimes. I don’t feel the need to explain it away with some ad hoc argument. Rather, I take that information and make use of it to make sure I don’t fall victim to whatever it is that causes this to be so for sex.


#106

That would be a dream come true.


#107

I have no issues with what you just posted.

I do have an issue with the idea that having SSA inclines one to be also a pedophile.

If that were the case, little girls would be a lot safer than little boys. Clearly this is not the case.

It’s also like saying that having a psychological disorder such as OCD will incline one to sociopathy.


#108

“In the specific situations at hand, we are talking about deviant sexual — almost exclusively homosexual — acts by clerics. We’re also talking about homosexual propositions and abuses against seminarians and young priests by powerful priests, bishops, and cardinals. We are talking about acts and actions which are not only in violation of the sacred promises made by some, in short, sacrilege, but also are in violation of the natural moral law for all. To call it anything else would be deceitful and would only ignore the problem further.” -Bishop Robert Morlino

I’d encourage everyone to read Bishop Morlino’s full letter. Easily the most honest and forceful response I’ve heard by any bishop up to this point.
http://www.madisoncatholicherald.org/bishopsletters/7730-letter-scandal.html


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