Iran Gave Weapons to Iraq's Kurds


#1

Iran was the first country to provide Iraq’s embattled autonomous Kurdish region with weapons to fight off jihadist-led militants, president Massud Barzani said on Tuesday.
“The Islamic Republic of Iran was the first state to help us… and it provided us with weapons and equipment,” Barzani said at a joint news conference with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.naharnet.com/stories/en/144825-iran-gave-weapons-to-iraq-s-kurds


#2

What a shame that the Kurds had to turn to a terrorist state for arms that the west could have easily provided.

One more example of the fecklessness of the current U.S. administration. Liberalism, it seems more and more, is, as some claim, a suicide pact.


#3

I saw the article that Germany and probably Turkey still did not want to arm the Kurds yet, Turkey is clearly implicated as having aided ISIS just by virtue of their border.


#4

Iran offered to help when the militants first started getting ugly in Syria. Good for them. I would rather see Iran controlling Iraq than the Sunnis. They may be evil but they aren’t the monsters the Sunnis are. And perhaps Christians would be able to live under their rule.

Linus2nd


#5

We should have backed the Kurds a long time ago. Heck, we should have backed them against Saddam.


#6

Kurds are Sunnis. So are Turkmen. So are a lot of people who fled Sunni Arab villages for Kurdistan when ISIS invaded the area.

Moderate and secular Sunnis aren’t the problem. Radical Sunnis are.


#7

Iran was simply acting according to one of the basic maxims of the Middle East: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


#8

Actually a significant number of Kurds and Turkmen are Shia. 40 pct for the Turkmen, Not sure about the pct of Iraqi Kurds but about a third of the ones in Iran are Shia.


#9

There was no liberal U.S. administration when Saddam was gassing the Kurds.


#10

No. But neither was it the libs who established semi-autonomy for Kurdistan. Nor was it the conservatives who handed the Middle East over to Iran and radical Sunni sects to fight over.

And it was definitely the left which was and is responsible for the entire region to be turned over to savagery. “Community organizing” at its worst.


#11

What are you talking about?

The entire situation was brought about because of our invasion of Iraq, which Middle East experts said would happen.

The entire situation is the fault of the Bush/Cheney Carlisle group who wanted us to go into Iraq back when Clinton was president.

Jim


#12

Obama went against General Austin’s advice to leave 24,000 troops there, Obama broke it, blame where blame is due.

Thanks for the history lesson, there were no sanctions on Iraq during the Clinton Administration and there were no UN inspectors, no way would Hillary Clinton have voted for an invasion as well. It’s all due to Bush Cheney and Carlisle.


#13

Obama’s Iraq-Syria Dilemma: No Force Now on the Ground Can Beat ISIS
… In Iraq, the loss of the key Mosul Dam doesn’t appear to have rocked the jihadists and their Sunni allies on their heels either. They are continuing to press their siege on Amirli, a Shia Turkmen town in northern Iraq, prompting fears that residents there may endure the same fate as the Yazidis of Sinjar, who fled to a mountaintop in the face of the Islamic State advance, a humanitarian crisis that partly prompted U.S. intervention in Iraq this month in the first place.

All efforts to get to Amirli have failed and the United Nations has warned of a “possible massacre,” with the U.N.’s special envoy to Iraq, Nickolay Mladenov, declaring that without immediate action the town’s 17,000 people, already suffering “desperate conditions” after months of siege, face a very grim future.

Islamic State fighters are also holding off Kurdish efforts to retake a series of key towns bordering Iraq’s semi-autonomous Kurdish region, including the flashpoint town of Jalawla. European military observers tell The Daily Beast they fear that the Peshmerga, the Kurdish military, don’t have the strength to push the jihadists and their Sunni allies back without much greater Western support, rearming and training.

“The Peshmerga are doing their best but they are not the fighting force they were,” says a senior British military observer. “There is an element of Dad’s Army to them with the bulk veterans from guerrilla warfare from 20 to 30 years ago.” Analysts say the Kurds’ elite counter-terrorist group is doing well and has notched successes, taking some vantage points from jihadist fighters, but they are anxious for promised help from abroad.

“The help has not been up to the standard we need,” says Polad Talabani, the deputy commander of the Peshmerga’s counter-terrorism group. “The jihadists seized weaponry from the Iraqi army and they have much more advanced tanks than us, more arms, and they have a lot of ammunition. We are forced to scrape together what we can.” The tanks the jihadists seized from retreating Iraqi forces this summer were, of course, made in the U.S.A.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/26/obama-s-iraq-syria-dilemma-no-force-now-on-the-ground-can-beat-isis.html


#14

I think it is safe to say that IS is a threat to Turkey:

Islamic State extremists are pushing to secure the border between Turkey and north-western Syria as the main gateway for recruits to join the caliphate they have imposed across much of eastern Syria and western Iraq.

Large numbers of jihadists from Islamic State (formerly Isis) are moving this weekend towards the Turkish border area, about 60 miles north of Aleppo, in columns of armoured trucks that they looted from abandoned Iraqi military bases. The area is now one of the most active front lines in the group’s attempt to redraw the borders of the Levant, a campaign that will have huge ramifications for Turkey.

Residents and Syrian opposition militants in the town of Marea, close to the Turkish border, on Saturday said that Isis had advanced to within sight of the town and had sent envoys to negotiate access.

“They could storm in like the Mongols, if they wanted to,” said a fighter from Syrian rebel group Islamic Front. “But they’re trying to be nice. We have dealt with them before. There is no reconciling with them. We will have to fight.”

Once in position, ISIS will infiltrate Turkey. It is only a matter of time.


#15

FYI, the US has been supplying the Kurds with weapons as well.

US sending weapons to Kurds in Iraq: senior officials

nypost.com/2014/08/11/us-sending-weapons-to-kurds-in-iraq-senior-officials/

The US has also supplied weapons and training to the Iraqi forces at a significant cost for years now.

However, when ISIS invaded Iraq, Iraqi forces dropped their weapons and ran. ISIS took those weapons and are using them today.

Jim


#16

**“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
–Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002**

davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

Verified per Snopes: snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp


#17

Bush had a departure date agreement with the Maliki Government, and in negotiations with the Obama administration, they refused to allow US troops to remain, unless they came under Iraqi laws.

Obama had no choice but withdraw our troops.

Jim


#18

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#19

The problem with this assessment is, ISIS was fighting against the Assad government, so bombing them would’ve aided ISIS.

The moderate rebels which Obama did send arms to, were too small to make a difference and all they did is end up helping ISIS by attacking Syrian forces.

There was a no-win situation there other than to do like Russia and Iran, and support the Assad government’s fight against the rebels.

Jim


#20

Agree for the most part but these terrorists are obviously entering from some point of entry.

There was the bombing at the Turkish border inside Turkey in the last 3 years.

The head of Turkey seems to be Islamist, Erdogan but I admit I don’t know the whole situation.

Even US News and World Report appears to have an article dealing with this.

usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/24/syrian-kurdish-leader-turkey-turns-blind-eye-to-isis

“Syrian Kurdish Leader: Turkey Turns Blind Eye to ISIS”


Again, I don’t know myself.


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