[quote="mostolto, post:8, topic:297533"]
bare in mind that neither Islam or Orthodox Judaism accepted either Jesus as the Messiah, or the New Testament of his disciples, as Gods word. yes, a prophet, but not the Messiah. as Christians we would have to be certain of this. yes, Jesus was a Jew, but the Orthodox Jews were awaiting someone that would bring peace to the world at his first coming, not at his second. I agree, the interpretation will hopefully become clearer as time passes. certainly if Jesus was the Messiah, and Christians are right, we have no need to look to the future for the arrival of another. a very tricky dilemma for everyone, especially for those Christians who point to the Roman Catholic church as "Babylon the Great"
You are misled. Jesus apostles and close disciples knew he was the Son of God and the Messiah, this isn't a later development, it was a fundamental belief since the beginning. That is part of what the New Testament is about, the establishment of Christianity. The reason why people "point to the Roman Catholic Church" as the "Whore of Babylon" (not "Babylon the Great" because that would have to be a place, which people say is Rome, or the Vatican in particular) is because they already have an issue with the Church, so they are trying to find ways to create scandal to gain more converts. They look for ways to make the Church out to be the bad guy, and shout it from the rooftops, no matter how poorly built their claims are. It's like a little child saying "I'm better than you" and if you try to say anything in rebuttal, they just scream louder and louder.