is being a lingerie model a sin?


#1

A friend just signed a contract to be a lingerie model. When I approached her with the idea of enabling men to sin with her half naked pictures, she quickly said that she is not responsible for anyone’s sins. Isn’t there something to be said for modesty? Is a porn star not somewhat responsible for a man masturbating to her video and/or pictures? How is being mostly nude in suggestive photos any different?

Is there anything that you can share from the Catechism or the bible that I can share with her?

Thanks!


#2

It probably depends. Is it for something like JC penneys where it is to actually sell the product or victoria’s secret where its intent is to cause lust (not that i’m against lingerie in marriage)


#3

It’s for Maxim…not a retail store!


#4

[quote="saintbtg, post:3, topic:313653"]
It's for Maxim...not a retail store!

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:eek: then yes


#5

Ok, so what can I bring to the table? She knows I'm not ok with it. She has a young son...what if he EVER sees the pictures? She keeps saying that it's her life and her choice(sounds like a familiar argument, doesn't it!) but she is not thinking about her son! It is so sad!


#6

[quote="saintbtg, post:5, topic:313653"]
Ok, so what can I bring to the table? She knows I'm not ok with it. She has a young son...what if he EVER sees the pictures? She keeps saying that it's her life and her choice(sounds like a familiar argument, doesn't it!) but she is not thinking about her son! It is so sad!

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The son angle is your way in. Lots of pornographers either turn their lives around, or at least, leave that detestable lifestyle when they have children. Especially daughters. Must encourage her to think what she or others will one day be encouraging her son to do. Must remind her of the poison that is pornography, how it perverts and destroys and ruins; like a weed chokes out life and love.

Awful, awful business. Prayers go out to them.


#7

Saint -

Perhaps you can discuss with her what the bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church say about Lust and Modesty. Here’s a the summary is the Catechism on the 9th Commandment.

2528 "Everyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mt 5:28).

2529 The ninth commandment warns against lust or carnal concupiscence.

2530 The struggle against carnal lust involves purifying the heart and practicing temperance.

2531 Purity of heart will enable us to see God: it enables us even now to see things according to God.

2532 Purification of the heart demands prayer, the practice of chastity, purity of intention and of vision.

2533 Purity of heart requires the modesty which is patience, decency, and discretion. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person.

Read the entire link which also discusses modesty. scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a9.htm

I guess you need to ask her, what does she think men will think when they view her pictures? Matthew 5:28 above says that these type of lustful thoughts are a form of adultery, to which she is the object of. And this says nothing about some men acting out physically…


#8

I don't buy it frankly. we have countless art held in museums of naked people hell people even having sex or raped (thank you Aphrodite from providing case and point for both) and we are told when we go to see said art pieces to put on a monocle and enjoy a 'high brow' mentality.

Frankly I think anyone should be able to look at anyone naked and go 'nice'. To transcend basic instinct and see how wonderful we truly are without our clothing.

I'd like to think I'm more in touch with God that I can do that and frankly I hope someday people as a whole can too.

Or maybe I'm wrong and full of **** but if I'm not looking at girls lustfully ergo I'm not sinning. Ultimately that's all that matters.

Edit: (Cr ap is censored? Really? What?:eek:)


#9

Is she in a desperate situation financially?


#10

and you get around it by spacing the letters :rolleyes:


#11

[quote="Lost_Sheep, post:9, topic:313653"]
Is she in a desperate situation financially?

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No, she is not. She is doing it because she wants too. She met the "photographer" in a bar, he told her he would "coach" her and she signed a contract giving him rights to ALL her photos. She has no say what he does with them. It is so incredibly sad. She didn't think this through, but she still sees no problem with it.


#12

[quote="Porknpie, post:7, topic:313653"]
Saint -

Perhaps you can discuss with her what the bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church say about Lust and Modesty. Here's a the summary is the Catechism on the 9th Commandment.

2528 "Everyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mt 5:28).

2529 The ninth commandment warns against lust or carnal concupiscence.

2530 The struggle against carnal lust involves purifying the heart and practicing temperance.

2531 Purity of heart will enable us to see God: it enables us even now to see things according to God.

2532 Purification of the heart demands prayer, the practice of chastity, purity of intention and of vision.

2533 Purity of heart requires the modesty which is patience, decency, and discretion. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person.

Read the entire link which also discusses modesty. scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a9.htm

I guess you need to ask her, what does she think men will think when they view her pictures? Matthew 5:28 above says that these type of lustful thoughts are a form of adultery, to which she is the object of. And this says nothing about some men acting out physically...

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In addition to the quoted above:


#13

[quote="april32010, post:10, topic:313653"]
and you get around it by spacing the letters :rolleyes:

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Well I felt obligated to point out that I didn't say the S word equivalent which someone could easily assumed I had and also bring up awareness of the pointlessness of censoring out frankly innocent word.

This isn't a kinder garden forum. We are mostly all adults here...

Lest age wise anyway.


#14

I spoke to her. I was very respectful and tried to keep it an adult conversation. This was her response...
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"Slut-shaming" 101:

Women are not allowed to express themselves sexually without being scrutinized by other men AND women.

"Slut-shaming" contributes to rape culture, where it is okay to rape a woman because she was "asking for it".

It promotes grrrl hate, which is completely detrimental to the feminist movement and only creates more internal sexism. Read that TWICE.

The message it is sending to men: girls who are sexually comfortable with themselves and dress a certain way are "sluts". If you come in contact with one of these so called “sluts” you can do whatever you want to them because they are not full, whole human beings, just objects. It enables men to mistreat women.

"Slut-shaming" is in itself an objectification of women’s bodies.

(It is certainly not feminist to "slut-shame"!)

Things "slut-shamers" desperately need to understand:

  1. I do not care in the slightest whether you respect me, the way I dress, my lifestyle choices or not. The point is not to gain your respect, approval, or validate you. The point is to dismantle a system that justifies and encourages violence against women by policing and denouncing females expressing their sexuality.

  2. Your "slut-shaming" is pathetic, misogynist, aand outrightly sexist. No exceptions. If you have a problem with the way I am expressing MY body, keep that to yourself. Woman need to stop judging eachother and start LOVING and SUPPORTING eachother.


I'm not even sure what to think about it. it's so far off base. I never once used the word "slut" and only used the bible verses given here to try to show that she need to rethink her choice. I mean...come on....really!?!?! I didn't respond. I'll pray for her and her son.

#15

Is she even Catholic, or is she just some kind of liberal? Either way it doesn’t sound like she cares what you think about it in the first place.


#16

Also, your friend needs to learn how to formulate her own original thoughts instead of resorting to copypasta. :newidea:

newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1328358


#17

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