Is "being nice" an overrated virtue?

Maybe although bad guys always hate nice guys unless they can get something from them. There was one woman at work, an atheist who would use God’s name in vain all the time, when she was around me and did it she would always apologise (it seemed sincere), to everyone else they start to view you as someone who hates gays and associates with paedophiles (their words). Being nice changes nothing although if I wasn’t nice I could stop it by lowering myself to their level. As a an when you are nice people think you want something and don’t trust you. Bad guys have women buzzing around them all the time and men want to be like them. Maybe it’s different in your country?

Being nice? I think, on the contrary, being either indifferent or rude is regarded as a virtue in present-day Western culture.

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Are we talking here about being nice to people or nice to women, specifically?

My thought, too. As I think about it, I have gotten ahead (or things turned out in my favor) often times for no other reason than I was nice (I am sure).

Both although women are worse especially in the workplace because they are untouchable.

It’s different for men and women, my wife is nice to people and succeeds.

Not my experience, at all. When my husband is nice to people he gets much further than he does when he is just neutral.

He even admits it. For him, he has to decide to be overtly nice. It is a choice. He is a nice guy overall, but he isn’t overtly nice to strangers, etc.

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Certainly being nice and kind is not only a virtue, but failing to do so goes against the second greatest commandment. Loving our neighbors is not an emotion, it is an willful act.

Being ‘nice,’ is another adjetive for being charitable, which one of the theological virtues

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John 13:34-35 - I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

This is what Jesus taught us, so I don’t think its overrated. :slight_smile:

Sometimes even Jesus was very sorrowful and would pull away from others to find another personal place of peace.

It’s called being human and Jesus was human on earth.

Being nice is not the same as humble. A murder can be nice to another person even though he’s just murdered someone moments before.

Sometimes in our deepest moments of pain we are at our most humbleness to others. That humbleness is what Jesus asked us to be.

For many younger people (under 30?) being nice is equivalent to “not hurting my feelings.” If you say something which is the Truth, and it’s something they don’t agree with, then “you aren’t being nice because what you said hurts my feelings. And oh-by-the way, what you just said is hate speech. Prepare to be sued.”

Of course there may be many ways to speak the Truth, but it seems that to not hurt people’s feelings, it needs to be turned into small “t” not quite the whole Truth / my opinion / gosh I’m really sorry that this might offend you / trigger warning…etc.

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It’s not just what you say. It’s how you say it.
A good example is St Hugh of Lincoln. He had problems with the king. The king had promised the Church money and it either didn’t have it or it was being withheld probably out of spite. St Hugh was before the king and the subject of the money that everybody knew about was brought up. Rather than issuing a condemnation or complaining like so many others had done. St Hugh said words to the effect that, “I know that the king is a man of his word, and he will do what he has promised to do.”

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Being considerate of other peoples feelings will help as long as it is balanced out.

That’s probably not going to happen.

Having only read the title: YES.

I don’t think so. But being nice to the point of letting your voice go unheard, maybe. That’s something that I struggle with quite a bit sometimes, and it can lead to problems in a variety of contexts.

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St Faustina said that it is possible to give more by being nice than by giving much materially and being bitter.

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It’s been happening already for a few years. “Mis-gendering” is just one example.

That’s because an illness is involved and it is an easy problem to avoid anyways.

This is quite right. American culture has the expectation that people are going to be chipper, cheerful, “shining happy people”, and it disturbs Americans when someone in their midst isn’t a big old ray of sunshine. The Catholic mindset is a bit more, for lack of a better word, “European”. Europeans have no expectation that people are going to be happy and cheerful all the time, and they’re not the least bit put off when someone isn’t. I also get the vibe, in the American South anyway, that there is a fear of “catching someone else’s ‘sad cooties’” — I’ve picked up on it many times. People in the urban centers of the Northeast tend to be more tolerant of variations in the other guy’s demeanor.

As for Protestants, I’ve noticed that too. I have a theory, that since “saved” people just know they are going straight to heaven, with no possible way to lose their salvation, regardless of what sin they might fall into, of course they’re going to be blissfully happy all the time! Wouldn’t you be? I know I would! Among the “blessed assurance of salvation” crowd, there are two schools of thought: (a) if you “backslide” and lose your salvation, then that means you weren’t saved in the first place, and (b) backslide, quit believing, lose your faith, fall into the worst sins imaginable, doesn’t matter — you made that decision, at a given time and place (some of them even write it down), that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour, and nothing, absolutely nothing, can change that. It doesn’t get more optimistic or pleasant than that. Again, no wonder they’re always in such a good mood…

And then there is the question of “what about when saved people sin?”. Here, too, there are two schools of thought: (a) it doesn’t matter — Jesus took care of it all, all of your sin, past, present, and future, is “on Him”, and your act of faith saved you for all time, or (b) Christians just don’t sin. Lest the latter sound laughable, I have seen it before on a bumper sticker (proof positive! :rofl:), and unless I dreamed it, I know I heard a very well-known TV evangelist say on his show one time, “Christians don’t sin”. Where he got that from, I have no earthly idea.

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