Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three


#1424

It is the direct you are going, that’s for sure.


#1425

Mutations are random with respect to their effect. They are not random with respect to their causes. Which sort of random are you criticising here? Cause or effect?

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#1426

I agree; it would be your regular collection of teratogens, those physical factors, including simple noise in the system, that cause genetic mutation, like having no sun screen, getting too many CT scans, hepatitis c and papilloma viruses, and so forth. That’s the problem.


#1427

Why is that a problem?


#1428

A atheist cult masquerading under a cloak of science told you that all the evidence points to evolution … and you believed them?

True science has its rules. Evolution “science” has another set of rules. You need to understand the difference (hint: true science doesn’t reach conclusions predicated on a mountain of baseless assumptions).


#1429

You keep saying this, and I keep asking you. I’ll try it again: How is the theory that life evolved from microbes in any way useful?

How is “draw(ing) interesting connections among animal species” (alive or dead) useful? You repeatedly make these sort of claims, but as yet you haven’t provided anything at all in the way of evidence. Science works like this - you make a scientific claim, then you support it with evidence.


#1430

Evolution is the ultimate expression of pagan science: Nature created us.


#1431

It’s my understanding that Charles Darwin came up the (in)famous “Tree of Life”, which describes the theory of common ancestry. In which case, it’s entirely appropriate to think of Darwinism as microbe-man evolution.


#1432

Biologists can offer plenty of practical uses for “evolution”, but what they mean by “evolution” ALWAYS turns out to be MICROEVOLUTION - ie, demonstrable biological facts that no one disputes.

Or, as has been my experience on other forums, some biologists will try and con you with sophistry such as this little number: Certain similarities in the DNA of humans and other animals has contributed to the development of vaccines … The similarities in the DNA of humans and other animals is evidence that humans and these other animals share a common ancestor … Therefore common ancestry (ie, macroevolution) has been proven to be scientifically useful.

The obvious flaw in their logic may not even be evident to them - they just parrot this nonsense because that’s all they ever heard (read: been brainwashed with) and have never questioned it. When little ol’ me comes along and points out this erroneous thinking to these learned biologists, their response is always the same … dead silence.

The theory that life evolved from microbes is a complete irrelevance to applied science. How many companies involved in medical science, for example, do you think spend money on investigating if humans and apes share a common ancestor? My guess is ZERO - because it’s worthless “information” and useless talk.


#1433

It is the same thing, differing only in scale.


#1434

If you look at the quantum level, maybe, but that is not what is at issue.

Been walking through any brick walls lately? Only glorified bodies do that, and under very miraculous circumstances.

So to confirm, you deny that there is a distinction between the material body and spiritual one, that they are of the same substance?

Sounds like monism to me, and probably is.

If we didn’t evolve, what about those animals on Galapagos? What’s your explanation for that?

So we can’t be created perfect and have evolved? Isn’t that a false dichotomy? Either we are created perfect or we evolved?


#1435

Well, nature had a part in it, but evolution does not claim nature is a god, or a prime mover, or an intelligence, it describes nature as operating as it does in reality. Nothing more, nothing less.


#1436

Well, okay but the origin of life is not about microbes, which are already alive, it is about how life arises from non-living matter.

Microbe-man sounds like a cartoon character, microbes evolved over long periods into lots of things, not just men. Such a theory is well supported by the fossil record, throughout the record things get more and more complex over time.


#1437

Using computer models and statistical methods, biochemist Douglas Theobald calculated the odds that all species from the three main groups, or “domains,” of life evolved from a common ancestor—versus, say, descending from several different life-forms or arising in their present form, Adam and Eve style.

The domains are bacteria, bacteria-like microbes called Archaea, and eukaryotes, the group that includes plants and other multicellular species, such as humans.

The “best competing multiple ancestry hypothesis” has one species giving rise to bacteria and one giving rise to Archaea and eukaryotes, said Theobald, a biochemist at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.

But, based on the new analysis, the odds of that are “just astronomically enormous,” he said. “The number’s so big, it’s kind of silly to say it”—1 in 10 to the 2,680th power, or 1 followed by 2,680 zeros.

Theobald also tested the creationist idea that humans arose in their current form and have no evolutionary ancestors.

The statistical analysis showed that the independent origin of humans is “an absolutely horrible hypothesis,” Theobald said, adding that the probability that humans were created separately from everything else is 1 in 10 to the 6,000th power.


#1438

Seems like you’ve missed my point, which I thought pretty straightforward. The empty void and darkness described in Genesis 1:2 could be the result of the destruction of the first creation. Having destroyed this first creation, God then sets about creating a second creation, the “six days” creation which culminated in Adam.


#1439

To someone whose judgement isn’t handicapped by trying force evolution in the Scriptures, the meaning should be clear and unambiguous.


#1440

So if there was an earth and it became void, and then earth was recreated, then wouldn’t that mean everything got erased?

1:1 In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth

Doesn’t seem to indicate there was anything before the void. Where does that come in?


#1441

It is possible to read he gave them plants to eat as that’s all he gave them.

Your assumption is they should only eat what God gives them and nothing else. Or if God gives plants, it is impossible that they ate anything else, because God gave them plants and when God gives you something, you only eat that.

But common sense wise if I said one time that I gave my daughter a sandwich, it doesn’t mean she eats only sandwiches forever.

Just because something was given doesn’t mean that was the only thing eaten. If you can get the Fathers of the Church to support that or some Church document I’d be happy to look into it.

If not, just like you have said, it’s just your own opinion.


#1442

Forget the word games - show me just one article that demonstrates a scientific use for common ancestry. I’ve been on the lookout for years and have never encountered one.
The fact of the matter is, someone like me - who completely rejects microbe-man evolution and common ancestry - could become a fully competent biologist whose scientific work wouldn’t be hindered in the slightest. That’s because applied science depends on facts, not worthless stories about what might have happened billions of years ago.


#1443

Darwin didn’t offer an explanation for the origin of life. He concentrated on evolution.


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