Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True?


#950

The ones that can’t reach the lower branches make nests on the ground. Those can reach the lower branches make nests there. That makes sense - if it’s relatively safe in the brances and dangerous on the ground, then stay in the branches.

A better point would be to consider the dogs. Which don’t climb very well. So eventually, if all the chooks end up on the lower branches, the dogs would become extinct.

But let’s say that a few dogs are slightly better climbers and now and then can get to those lower branches. They would survive whilst the dogs that were not such good climbers would die off. Pretty straightforward?

So what do we have now? It’s like an arms race. The dogs that can climb to the lower branches survive and the chooks that can get to a slightly higher branch also survive.

If the dogs can climb no higher, they become extinct and the chooks remain as they are. There is nothing that is taking the least able flyers out of the gene pool. But if a greater proportion of the dogs being born have a genetic tendency passed on to be good climbers, then we still have this ‘arms race’.

Sound reasonable? It’s like poachers shooting elephants with long tusks and taking them out of the gene pool so we are left with elephants that are genetically inclined to have short tusks. If the dogs which are good climbers take out the chooks which can’t fly very well, then we are left with ones that can.


#951

That is against Church teaching. Adam and Eve were our first parents. There were no almost-humans. They were humanoid animals like some apes alive today. Adam and Eve were special creations.


#952

Hmmm. Frog is still comfortable. Nice warm water. Happy frog. :slight_smile:


#953

What exactly is Chirch teaching on that? Adam and Eve are our first parents, but it doesn’t follow that they didn’t have animal parents for their biology. Please cite the source for the teaching you claim I spoke against.


#954

They are the counterparts of the ovaries. If the testes did not move to outside the body, ovaries would have to migrate inside. The process is a lot more complex than you describe here. It sounds perfect to me. Random to you? Really? OK, then.


#955

What exactly do you mean by parents? I mean, how would it happen that a human being came about through the mating of two animals?


#956

Darwin’s evolution doesn’t happen overnight.The birds would first have to evolve enough to know how to make a nest. By that time, the eggs,hatchlings and the chicks would be devoured by the dogs before the birds could get off the ground.Nature’s survival strategies have to work from the gitgo there is no time for random mutations to figure it all out.


#957

Humani Generis - Pope Pius XII

“37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[12]”


#958

Nature acts according to its nature. That is God’s intention. I don’t no what you mean by guided.


#959

The interplay between the environment, predators and natural abilities have to be integrated from the start. How do bees know what a flower is? How do they know how to build a honeycomb? Why is honey edible by humans?


#960

Why would a perfect design need to have the ovaries and testes have a common morphology? Why couldn’t testes start out outside and ovaries start out inside? It seems simpler than having a common organ that has to decide at the last minute what to become.


#961

Why would all this have to integrated from the start? Just because we cannot imagine a pathway composed of small steps does not mean such a pathway does not exist. And why is honey edible? Because honey is composed of molecules with lots of nutritional energy and no poisonous effects. Why shouldn’t it be edible? Most living things are edible.


#962

Speciation doesn’t happen overnight. But changes within a species can be quite dramatic. As per the elephants.

But anyway, some chooks made nests on the ground. Some in fallen branches on the ground. The ones that could reach lower branches made them there. It makes sense to make a nest where you live. It didn’t make any difference before the dogs arrived, but now it does.

Chooks who are able to reach lower branches already made their nests there and the ones that couldn’t survived equally as well…until there was a change in the environment.

Now we have the ‘arms race’. And that will continue until there is another change in the environment.

Reasonable?


#963

That is talking about human parents, animals are not included in that definition. Adam and Eve could have had animal parents but not human parents, neither Genesis or Doctrine rules that out as far as I see.


#964

They want to cherry pick certain thing from God’s perfect Nature world that they see going on now, to try and extrapolate that into their theories.


#965

You are moving the goalpost and confusing me and I thought birds came from dinosaurs from the start anyway .


#966

Most living things are not edible. We can’t digest cellulose in wood but termites can.


#967

It certainly does. Animals do not produce human babies. Chimps are animals and stronger than humans by size and weight.


#968

Because there has to be a hierarchy in the animal kingdom.The big, eat the small for a ecosystem to be supported … everything is interconnected.


#969

Have you seen the humanoids that existed tens of thousands of years ago? They were practically human minus the soul. According to scientific theory they were very very close to what we are now. It’s not like chimpanzees.


DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in these forums do not necessarily reflect those of Catholic Answers. For official apologetics resources please visit www.catholic.com.