Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True?


#1170

As @LeafByNiggle said, God didn’t have to. He was not bound by necessity to.

I really wonder where you get these suppositions, they all seem rather unreasonable.


#1171

That sums it up well. At best, if God was involved, He just walked away to let non-God forces take over as if He needed that.

Matthew 8:24

New International Version
Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping.

New Living Translation
Suddenly, a fierce storm struck the lake, with waves breaking into the boat. But Jesus was sleeping.

English Standard Version
And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep.

8:25

New International Version
The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”

New Living Translation
The disciples went and woke him up, shouting, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”

English Standard Version
And they went and woke him, saying, “Save us, Lord; we are perishing.”

8:26

New International Version
He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm.

New Living Translation
Jesus responded, “Why are you afraid? You have so little faith!” Then he got up and rebuked the wind and waves, and suddenly there was a great calm.

English Standard Version
And he said to them, “Why are you afraid, O you of little faith?” Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.

8:27

New International Version
The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

New Living Translation
The disciples were amazed. “Who is this man?” they asked. “Even the winds and waves obey him!”

English Standard Version
And the men marveled, saying, “What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey him?”


#1172

But it’s reasonable to believe chemicals formed together to create the first cell , and all life as we know today sprung from it ?


#1173

That one of my favorite verses in the Bible. :+1:


#1174

Yes. But implying I believe God is bound to do something is bad Theology, God is only bound by the law of non-contradiction.


#1175

Bad Theology is trying to incorporate Darwin’s Theory, and the Bible together.


#1176

Then tens of thousands, perhaps millions of Catholics, including the Magisterium are guilty of bad theology.

I at least can say I am a Theologian as I have a BA in Theology, but am an amateur scientist.

On what grounds do you say it is bad theology?


#1177

With other, longer lived radioactive isotopes.

Here are the results for the Amitsoq Gneiss:

Method             Age (billion years)
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Rb - Sr isochron   3.70 ± 0.14  
Lu - Hf isochron   3.55 ± 0.22
Pb - Pb isochron   3.80 ± 0.12
U  - Pb discordia  3.65 ± 0.05
Th - Pb discordia  3.65 ± 0.08

weighted mean age 3.67 ± 0.06 billion years.

Source: Scientific Age of the Earth

None of the methods used involve 14C, instead other longer lived isotopes are used. Like my example of the scales, you don’t use a set of kitchen scales to weigh an 18-wheeler, you use a weighbridge.

rossum


#1178

If one believes that Adam and Eve were the offspring of soulless animal creatures.


#1179

This is like a merry go round. The Church does not have a position on pre-existing material for Adam and Eves material bodies. How many times must I quote the Church documents?

It is not good to prohibit what the even the chirch does not prohibit, to condemn what even the church does not condemn. Are you more wise, knowledgeable, inspired than the Magisterium.

Stop going above what the church teaches.


#1180

If you feather on a scale calibrated in millions of years it won’t register. If the RC dating is true for the dinos the decay method must be evaluated.


#1181

Whatever material was used to form Adam’s body was pre-existing. He could not have been conceived of animal gametes. I can’t say how the miracle of life arises, but it involves a zygote that is a unity of soul and matter. An animal zygote cannot turn into a human being.


#1182

Not just any animal, something like homo naledi, which shares nearly every biological feature with man.


#1183

God as Divine Artist begins with an idea. In this case it is Jesus Christ. In order to achieve that aim, the basic material for the Supreme Masterpiece must exist. It is brilliant, illuminating light. Everything physical that follows is a variation on that prime matter. What is for all intents and purposes, infinite time and space is set as the background. The environment follows in all its wonder and diversity. Homo naledi sounds like one of the preliminary sketches to arrive at the final figure. The sketch isn’t part of the painting, but a lead up to it, to help visualize the end result. In this case, a man who would fit in and function well on earth. But, who knows, maybe Homo naledi was human too. We’re talking our profound ignorance and about God, so it happened any way He wanted, and in the way that He has revealed to us in scripture and interpreted for us in the Catechism.


#1184

Yes, but science fills in the details in a way that the Catechism or the Bible or our imaginations can’t. Science’s object is God’s creation, and we can see into the past from what we know now, but it is like looking into a foggy mirror.

Like I said I have studied all the Church documents on the matter and see there is a lot of room for science to fill in the gaps. We don’t have the full picture but what seems to make a lot of sense from current science is that every species on earth seems to have changed over time, in a gradual way over many generations. We can imagine that God simply inserted a soul into one of those new generations.

This is homo naledi, tell me he couldn’t be a candidate for Adam and Eve’s biological pre-existing material.


#1185

Eve was not born but made from Adam’s side by God.


#1186


#1187

No, no, you’ve got it all wrong. This is our human ancestor:


#1188

Yep, those are the bones.


#1189

You may believe that if you want to, but it does not appear anywhere in binding infallible dogma (although I’m sure you can find some Church leaders, even saints, who believed it that way.)


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