[quote="insanity, post:14, topic:279868"]
well the thing is , can you wound a god with something as simple as nails and betrail ?
Christ is a divine person with two natures: divine and human. In his human nature he could experience death.
and why doesnt god simply forgive this sin? in mu eyes it shouldnt be hard for a being who created the universe to forgive its death in human form.
God is merciful, so he is willing to forgive sin. But God is also just, and although sin can be forgiven, God can't pretend that sin never happened. There is still an accountability for sin, and God is the one ultimately responsible for the proper satisfaction of justice. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death (because sin is the rejection of God who is life itself, and the only realistic consequence of rejecting life is death). But Christ satisfies justice by agreeing to pay the deadly consequence of sin on our behalf. Even though Christ did not sin, it is permissible for someone to pay the debt of another.
also i want to make the point that since god is suposedly all knowing he must have known at creation that humans would betray him if he created them in this way.
now at this point i also want to argue that god didnt realy give free will.
imagine this , you have to chose between A and B , since god is all knowing he knows what your choice will be ( lets say B ) ... now you cant choose A because an all knowing being allready knows you will chose B . since the being is ALL knowing the probability you will chose B is 100% and A 0% , therefore its no longer a choice , therefore no free will.
Passive awareness does not equate active coercion. As someone else stated, God exists outside of time and therefore can observe temporal events from different perspectives, including the choices we will make. Consider this within the following example: I know (from historical resources and actual documentation) that John Hancock signed the U.S.' Declaration of Independence. Let us say that I took a time machine to go to Independence Hall on the day of the signing in 1776. As the people gather in the hall, I am present only as a passive observer. When John Hancock steps up to the table, he still has the free choice to either sign or not sign. Even though I know he will sign, my knowledge does not somehow rob him of his freewill.
My example, of course, is not a perfect representation of how all this works with God. For example, one could argue that my future knowledge is no longer accurate if I go back in time, because my presence in Independence Hall would change the past (and therefore altering the course of events in one way or another, possibly even resulting in Hancock not signing the document). But unlike me, God is both present and transcendent, and therefore can choose what sort of impact he has on creation.