IS GOd of koran thesame as God of chirstianity?


#1

God reveals himself through His works(oikonomia).Now,God reveals Himself by sending His only Son to redeem man.It reveals that God wills it that His Son will Die as sacrifice(isaiah 53:10)

NOW.

HERE comes the koran where God reveals that jesus did not die as a sacrifice for all(surah 4:157).It reveals that God did Not send his Son as a redeemer.

Do you think God WHO sent the Son into the world to die in a sacrificial death thesame as God of islam Who denies the sacrificial death of jesus? think…


#2

[quote=memnoch_lover]God reveals himself through His works(oikonomia).Now,God reveals Himself by sending His only Son to redeem man.It reveals that God wills it that His Son will Die as sacrifice(isaiah 53:10)

NOW.

HERE comes the koran where God reveals that jesus did not die as a sacrifice for all(surah 4:157).It reveals that God did Not send his Son as a redeemer.

Do you think God WHO sent the Son into the world to die in a sacrificial death thesame as God of islam Who denies the sacrificial death of jesus? think…
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The Jewish faith denies the sacrificial death of Jesus, do they worship a different God than Christians? Think.


#3

The Jewish faith denies the sacrificial death of Jesus, do they worship a different God than Christians? Think.

The answer is NO! The moslems and the jews do not worship the smae God. We, catholics, worship a trinitarian God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit - this is the revelation of God about himself.

In the Old Testament, God didn’t want to revelate himself as Holy Trinity because there was the danger for the Israel’s people to fall in politheism, but in the Old Testament took place a Theophany (Epiphany) when the three men came to Abraham - that was the Holy Trinity.
In the Christian regligion God revealed himself in his whole splendour , so if there is somebody who denies that God is one in Holy Trinity, he doesn’t worship the true God.

PS: Jesus saied: “I’m the Way, the Truth and the Life” and only through Him we can worship the true God.


#4

[quote=theodorro]The answer is NO! The moslems and the jews do not worship the smae God. We, catholics, worship a trinitarian God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit - this is the revelation of God about himself.
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That will be interesting to John Paul II who has stated:

At the General Audience of Wednesday, 5 May, the Holy Father spoke about religious dialogue with Islam. While mentioning the point on which Christians and Muslims most differ, the mystery of the Trinity, the Pope also said that the two traditions “have a long history of study, philosophical and theological reflection, literature and science, which have left their mark on Eastern and Western cultures”, and “are called in one spirit of love to defend and always promote human dignity, moral values and freedom”. Here is translation of his catechesis, which was the 12th in the series on God the Father and was given in Italian.

  1. Continuing our discussion of inter-religious dialogue, today we will reflect on dialogue with Muslims, who “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen gentium, n. 16; cf. CCC, n. 841). The Church has a high regard for them, convinced that their faith in the transcendent God contributes to building a new human family based on the highest aspirations of the human heart…"

Christians and Muslims believe in the same God, the one God
2. We Christians joyfully recognize the religious values we have in common with Islam. ** Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection” (Insegnamenti, VIII/2, [1985], p. 497).** The patrimony of revealed texts in the Bible speaks unanimously of the oneness of God. Jesus himself reaffirms it, making Israel’s profession his own: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Mk 12:29; cf. Dt 6:4-5). This oneness is also affirmed in the words of praise that spring from the heart of the Apostle Paul: “To the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen’”(1 Tm 1:17).

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2MUSLM.HTM


#5

The Jewish faith denies the sacrificial death of Jesus, do they worship a different God than Christians? Think.— Tmaque

It was the jewish God that sent His Son to the world to be sacrificed. The fact that jews did not believe in the sacrifice of jesus does not deny the fact that their God sent His only Son to be sacrificed.THe sacricial death of messiah itself is not contrary to jewish thought because it is wrtten in isaiah 53:10 a jewish canon.

WHEREAS

the koran denies the sacrificial idea of messiah(surah 4:157)

another point, WHILE God of christianity said to jesus at the time of his baptism " you are my Son " in the koran GOd revealed that He beget no SOn.(surah 19:35). do you think they are thesame God?



#6
          It is He who is revealed in every face, sought in every sign, gazed upon by every eye, worshipped in every object of worship, and pursued in the unseen and the visible. Not a single one of His creatures can fail to find Him in its primordial and original nature.              *Futûhât al-Makkiyya,* Ibn Arabi (1165-1240 CE)

#7

[quote=theodorro]The answer is NO! The moslems and the jews do not worship the smae God. We, catholics, worship a trinitarian God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit - this is the revelation of God about himself.

In the Old Testament, God didn’t want to revelate himself as Holy Trinity because there was the danger for the Israel’s people to fall in politheism, but in the Old Testament took place a Theophany (Epiphany) when the three men came to Abraham - that was the Holy Trinity.
In the Christian regligion God revealed himself in his whole splendour , so if there is somebody who denies that God is one in Holy Trinity, he doesn’t worship the true God.

PS: Jesus saied: “I’m the Way, the Truth and the Life” and only through Him we can worship the true God.
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Theo:

Jesus applied to himself the NAME of the JEWISH God (“I am that which is”) and is a JEWISH Meshiah born of a young JEWISH virgin betrothed of a man descended from King David. Jesus was raised as an observant Jew, was an observant Jew, and chose 12 observant Jews as Disciples. And, when his final meal was a Jewish Sedar, celebrating the Miraculous Release from bondage and the 1st Covenant with the God of Israel.

Besides that, St. Paul, writing in the 2nd Letter to Timothy says, " All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work." II Tim 3:16-17 NAB When he wrote that, he was referring to the Old Testament.

Regarding Islam - I’m not as worried about the God the moderates worship as the I am with what the one the Islamist Extremists worship orders them to do. They believe that “Allah” orders them to kill “Kafirs” (Accursed Infidels/unbelievers), even babies, until those infidels submit and become their brand of Muslims.That’s how they’ve justified the wanton slaughter 2 million of African Christians and Animists in Southern Sudan along with the sale of nearly 350,000 into SLAVERY duringf the past 18 years by the government of Sudan and Islamist militias acting on its behalf.

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders - World Islamic Front Statement
fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

MALAYSIAN PM MAHATHIR URGES MUSLIMS AT CONFERENCE
by ROHAN SULLIVAN/ MAHATHIR MOHAMMAD
almuajaha.com/newswire/display/1164/index.php

Dhimmitude Past and Present :Ê An Invented or Real History?
BAT YE’OR
dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm

Christians in Islamic Countries
by Giuseppe De Rosa S.I.
213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,41931,00.html

PROJECT OPEN BOOK - Documenting the Persecution of Christians in the Islamic World
domini.org/openbook/home.htm

Twenty-first Century African Slaves Ð In the Land of Islam
by Sandro Magister
213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,42015,00.html

VIA News: Sudan
viamission.org/news/nations/sudan.htm

Mass rape atrocity in west Sudan
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

COPTS.COM
copts.com/

Saudi Arabia International Religious Freedom Report
June 2004

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155226/posts

History points finger at revenge for lost Moor kingdom
By Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid
(Filed: 13/03/2004)
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/13/wbusy213.xml

A Warning to Muslims against the Bid’ahs Preached by Muhammad Ibn 'Abdi-l-Wahhab
by Shaykh Abdul Hadi Palazzi and Zubair Qamar

saool.com/learn.htm

MUSLIM Refusnik
muslim-refusenik.com/

Please note, 2 of the articles are from the Vatican and at least 2 are MUSLIMS.

My other concern is that the various Islamic groups seem to spend more time defending Islam and condemning those who point out what I just posted than they do condemning those who go around slaughtering innocent people, which they seem to do VERY RARELY.

My fear is that Moderate Muslims are not doing their duty and driving the extremists from their mosques and their communities, and, all too often, may be approving of at least some of the fowl and evil deads they do.

That’s my 4 cents worth (inflation).

In Him, Michael


#8

[quote=HagiaSophia]That will be interesting to John Paul II who has stated:

  1. Continuing our discussion of inter-religious dialogue, today we will reflect on dialogue with Muslims, who “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen gentium, n. 16; cf. CCC, n. 841).
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With all due respect to His Holiness, how would he know? Does he have some special insight into the hearts and minds of men so that he can know who or what Moslems worship? Can he call up God and ask: “Hey Big Guy - you takin’ calls from these guys?”

I think, like all of us, His Holiness lets his desires - what he wishes to be true - cloud his understanding of what is true.

So, instead of relying on what one man thinks other men think, even a wise and compassionate man, why not ask a Moslem?

Ask a Moslem if they worship a Triune Gode as we do. I am certain that the answer you will get is “NO”.

After all, isn’t this precicely the behavior we Catholics object to when it is applied to our own Faith? Who here does not strenuously object when a Protestant makes a statement about the Catholic Faith ( say, something like “Catholics worship Mary”) that is false?

Are we to have a lower standard for His Holiness than we do for PeterPentecostal posting on this board?


#9

peace Michael,

[quote=Traditional Ang]Theo:
My fear is that Moderate Muslims are not doing their duty and driving the extremists from their mosques and their communities, and, all too often, may be approving of at least some of the fowl and evil deads they do.
In Him, Michael
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Possibly in the same way moderate German Christians were not driving out Hitlers followers. Moderate people tend to be people of peace, and the others use violence to get their own way.

peace

Eric


#10

[quote=memnoch_lover]God reveals himself through His works(oikonomia).Now,God reveals Himself by sending His only Son to redeem man.It reveals that God wills it that His Son will Die as sacrifice(isaiah 53:10)

NOW.

HERE comes the koran where God reveals that jesus did not die as a sacrifice for all(surah 4:157).It reveals that God did Not send his Son as a redeemer.

Do you think God WHO sent the Son into the world to die in a sacrificial death thesame as God of islam Who denies the sacrificial death of jesus? think…
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while there are many false gods, there is only One True God… Creator of all things seen and unseen. The only way to know of Him ( God ) is through His only begotten Son… Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father… begotten, not made. Pray for the pope, for the suffering souls in purgetory, and for one another. The god of confusion, Lucifer, roams the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Lastly, pray for me, as I shall pray for all of thee.:amen: come, Lord Jesus.


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