Is God so cruel to allow animal birth to souls?


#1

Is God so cruel to allow animal birth to souls?

God is loving every soul and is helping every soul in this world. He never hates any soul. The punishment in the hell is also to reduce madness of materialism of the soul. Suppose, one son becomes mad, the father will take him to the doctor and admits him in the mental hospital where shock treatments are given. Can you say that the father is angry with the son? Similarly, the hell is for the last sort of trial to transform the soul. The madness is never cured and the son has to be retained in the hospital only forever.

Same is the concept of the permanent hell. These souls cannot be brought into this world because they will bring Chaos in this world, just like the mad son cannot be brought out of the hospital into the society. Some souls are born as birds, animals etc., Here also only the love of God reflects. As a human being the soul was always interested in eating, drinking and sex only. The soul never turned to God. In such case there is no use of the intelligence of the human category, which is meant for analysis of truth. Therefore, the soul is placed in the cycle of animals, which are also happy like the human beings in eating, drinking and sex only. The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo. But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!.

The grass will be as tasty as the sweet dish in the meals today. The soul cannot estimate the happiness of the animal while remaining in the human body. The same happiness is received by the souls in all types of bodies from eating, drinking and sex. What ever he desired, that is given to him by God without any disturbance. In the human life the spiritual knowledge is often disturbing him in achieving the continuous happiness from eating, drinking and sex. Therefore, God favored the soul by such animal-birth and this is not punishing the soul.

This means God is helping even His enemies. A father will never harm his issue even if it opposes him. He wants always the happiness of the child continuously. The devoted souls want to be with God and derive the divine bliss constantly. God provides opportunity for such devotees also to make them happy constantly by guiding them in achieving the real and highest devotion to Him. Therefore, you can see the same love of God on a devoted soul staying in His abode as an angel and also on a he-buffalo enjoying with the she-buffalo in a mud pond. Both are continuously happy in their own fields! At last God provided what ever the child desired. Of course He tried to convert the soul in the he-buffalo into an angel. When He failed in all His efforts, He has sanctioned the firm desire of the soul. Therefore, God helped all the souls, whether those loved Him or not.


#2

The Christian Scriptures and the Church have made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt of Hell being real.

God is not cruel.


#3

Some people say that even good people are unnecessarily harmed. They criticize God. You cannot decide any person as a good person. Did you observe him every minute from his birth? You also think yourself as a good person. Are you aware of your sins done in your childhood? You might have harmed an innocent insect in your childhood. Do you remember that? Even mental feelings are sins, which may not be expressed in words and actions. The feelings of the mind are the source of words and actions. Therefore the feeling may not hurt others today. But tomorrow it will hurt others which will come out in words and actions. In fact, intention is given more importance in the crime according to law. The judge gives more importance to the intention in giving the punishment. You are walking on the road and the ant is killed by your foot, without any intention. There is no punishment for such sins. But when you kill the same ant with intention, you are punished by God. Therefore mind is the source of action.

If somebody harmed really a good person, then also leave it to God. You should not revenge. Why? The reason is that you cannot judge the exact nature and line of the case. You do not remember your own sins. Some times you do the sin thinking that it is good. You cannot be the standard in judging your own sins. Only the Lord can decide. Therefore, if somebody harmed really a good person, in the view of the Lord also, then the Lord himself will punish him.

You cannot take the law and order in to your hand. You have to refer the case to the court. Let the Judge decide, and punish the criminal. Therefore the Lord said, “Revenge is Mine”. If the revenge is justified, the Lord will certainly punish. The Lord will not revenge if you pray Him to do so. The Lord, will not excuse even if you recommend the unjust case.

Neither you have the power to punish nor to excuse anybody. The reason for this is that you are not omniscient. If a sinner realizes the sin and repents, the punishment is reduced. After repentance if you do not repeat the sins, the punishment is cancelled. If the sinner does not repent, he will repeat the sin again and again. Such sinner can be controlled only by punishment. If this is not true the police department has no use. There are some sinners who can be controlled only by third degree treatment. If such punishment and revenge are not required, and if everybody can be transformed by preaching, then what is the necessity of the existence of’ Hell and Liquid Fire’.
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If such possibility of transformation by love and knowledge is there, then why the Lord mentioned the word ‘revenge’ at all? **Therefore this means that there are some sinners who cannot be transformed by love and knowledge. Some clever people criticize Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, who have resorted to punish the sinners. Such clever people should answer about the word ‘revenge’ uttered by the Lord and also should explain the mention of the liquid fire in the scriptures. If all the human beings can be transformed through love and knowledge such words should not have been mentioned in their scriptures.


#4

People who go to hell go because they want to be there. In glee cursing God for an eternity.:frowning:


#5

is this about your son??


#6

Hi
I agree with you that hell is a place where sick souls would be kept for treatment, when they get cured they would be shifted to the heaven. This is on a hint from the scriptures, and is reasonable and logical.
Thanks
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#7

I disagree. Hell is eternity. There is no way out.

Mathew 10:28. And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can **destroy both soul and body in hell. **

Mathew 25:41. Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


#8

The Greek word translated as “everlasting” in many English bibles does not actually mean everlasting. Here’s a good article on it:

tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

Here’s wikipedia’s take on it:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_reconciliation#Aion_and_aionios_debate

"Aion and aionios debate

"A particular point of contention among some supporters and detractors of universal reconciliation involves the fact that the Greek word normally translated ‘eternal’ in most English Bibles, is the adjective aionios which is derived from the noun aion. Some proponents of universal salvation, in company with some detractors, claim that the proper definion of aion and aionios in the relevant texts is “age” and “pertaining to age”, respectively. They claim that since an age is a period of time with termination, this would render the concept of unending torment moot [1]. Aionios punishment would thus be properly understood as punishment which pertains to a period of time and thus would end. It is to be noted, however, that there are many proponents of universal salvation, including the late Greek scholar William Barclay, who, in line with modern Greek Scholarship, hold that aionios is indeed the word for eternity in the sense of timelessness. In this view, aionios typically refers more to quality than quantity, and is used as an epithet for the divine realm of temporal-transcendence.

“Detractors of universal salvation suggest that the proper translation of aionios is indeed ‘eternal’ as it identifies God (theos aionios). This position submits that if God is aionios and he is eternal in nature, in context, aionios should also be translated as eternal which renders “aionios judgment” to be eternal judgment. In their view, this renders the universal reconciliation position impossible, although many proponents of universal salvation would argue that “eternal punishment” does not necessarily refer to punishing without end, but could refer to either the everlastingness of the effects of punishment or to the fact that the punishment originates in the timeless God.”

wikipedia’s summary seems a little biased towards the anti-universalist view, but I present it here nevertheless.


#9

How do you explain this:

Mathew 10:28. And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.


#10

Hi
You are welcome to disagree but with rational reasons. I quote here from Quran in this regard. 101:9-12
9.But as for him whose scales are light,
10.Hell will be his nursing mother.
11.And what should make thee know what that is?
12.It isa burning Fire.
Unquote.
Hell has been mentioned here as a nursing mother; a child cannot live forever in his mothers womb, at a certain time it would be delivered, so at a certain time everybody would come out from it.
This is also supported by a tradition of the prophet Muhammad.
Thanks
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