Is It Morally Acceptable to Assault Someone at Mass???


#1

Is it morally acceptable to assault someone at mass, (examples; tripping, shoving, etc.)especially if it’s someone you disagree with? Especially if it’s a Rainbow Sash wearer or Cafeteria Catholic?


#2

Well if someone goes a charging towards the Tabernacle wearing a “Satanists do it upside down” t-shirt, you bet your britches I’ll stomp a hole in them.


#3

…and the church teaches it’s okay to physically assault someone at mass, where Trelow? Can you supply the document?


#4

Number 25
While Israel dwelt in Shittim the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab.
2: These invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate, and bowed down to their gods.
3: So Israel yoked himself to Ba’al of Pe’or. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel;
4: and the LORD said to Moses, "Take all the chiefs of the people, and hang them in the sun before the LORD, that the fierce anger of the LORD may turn away from Israel."
5: And Moses said to the judges of Israel, "Every one of you slay his men who have yoked themselves to Ba’al of Pe’or."
6: And behold, one of the people of Israel came and brought a Mid’ianite woman to his family, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of the whole congregation of the people of Israel, while they were weeping at the door of the tent of meeting.
7: When Phin’ehas the son of Elea’zar, son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose and left the congregation, and took a spear in his hand
8: and went after the man of Israel into the inner room, and pierced both of them, the man of Israel and the woman, through her body. Thus the plague was stayed from the people of Israel.
9: Nevertheless those that died by the plague were twenty-four thousand.
10: And the LORD said to Moses,
11: "Phin’ehas the son of Elea’zar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the people of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them, so that I did not consume the people of Israel in my jealousy.
12: Therefore say, `Behold, I give to him my covenant of peace;
13: and it shall be to him, and to his descendants after him, the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God, and made atonement for the people of Israel.’"
14: The name of the slain man of Israel, who was slain with the Mid’ianite woman, was Zimri the son of Salu, head of a fathers’ house belonging to the Simeonites.
15: And the name of the Mid’ianite woman who was slain was Cozbi the daughter of Zur, who was the head of the people of a fathers’ house in Mid’ian.
16: And the LORD said to Moses,
17: “Harass the Mid’ianites, and smite them;
18: for they have harassed you with their wiles, with which they beguiled you in the matter of Pe’or, and in the matter of Cozbi, the daughter of the prince of Mid’ian, their sister, who was slain on the day of the plague on account of Pe’or.”


#5

Not exactly the same thing, but I wouldn’t assault someone just because I had a disagreement with them.

Only if they were attacking somebody else, including Jesus. Or in other unlikely circumstances.


#6

Does a little “accidental” nudge or half hoping tip of the shoe protruding into the isle way count as “assault”? :hmmm:

Bye the way, can you cite one documented case of a parishoner assaulting another parishoner at a Catholic mass?


#7

I said other. I read about some dissenter (forget his name) who was denied Communion and then followed the priest into the sanctuary and attempted to take a host by force. I definitely would have used force to restrain that guy. Like Trelow said, if someone is trying to desecrate a host I would also not feel bad using force to stop them. Since these examples are more defense of another person, they would not actually be assault. Remember, Jesus was forceful with people doing what they shouldn’t be doing in the temple.


#8

Didn’t Jesus use a whip in the Temple when he saw grave abuses?

I think that physical means would be acceptable in grave circumstances, such as when someone was being physically threatened with bodily harm, someone was threatening to destroy church property, or commit an obvious sacrilege and the only way to stop them was with bodily force.


#9

The way the question was posted it is in regard to the rainbow sashers and cafeteria catholics. I don’t see a disagreement with either to be a grave matter, just a disagreement. Even if they started shoving it would be a NO NEVER.

Just my two cents worth. :smiley:


#10

Does a little “accidental” nudge or half hoping tip of the shoe protruding into the isle way count as “assault”?

if someone did that to me at work, I would call it assault. So would most employers.


#11

Only if they were attacking somebody else, including Jesus. Or in other unlikely circumstances.

*that’s * a different story. I am talking about people advocating tripping rainbow sashers, which is assault.


#12

If you replace the word ‘Assault’ with ‘Forcibly Eject’ then heck yeah.
Some people need to be removed if they are disturbing/interupting the Mass. If you ask them to leave, and they refuse or get physical, then you use the force necessary to MAKE them leave. Rainbow sashers included. :mad:


#13

If you replace the word ‘Assault’ with ‘Forcibly Eject’ then heck yeah.

what the hell else is it??? If you forcibly ejected someone at work what would your employer do?
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#14

I chose the top answer (although I would change “defend Mother Church,” to “Have some fun!”) I figure: Ask a silly question; get a silly answer.

Get a life, Lily. :yawn:

Anna


#15

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If you replace the word ‘Assault’ with ‘Forcibly Eject’ then heck yeah.

what the hell else is it??? If you forcibly ejected someone at work what would your employer do?
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Sorry sweetheart. Not only are there situations where it would be acceptable, there are situations where it would be expected.


#16

Anna you sound like one of those compassionate conservatives and charitable christians. By the way Anna one of your compassionate conservative, holier than thou types, suggested it was a good thing to trip someone wearing a Rainbow Sash.

Sorry sweetheart. Not only are there situations where it would be acceptable, there are situations where it would be expected

Yeah, I suppose it would be a good idea to take one of those homo lovers by the nap of the neck and seat of the pants and give them a good toss out of The Holy Mother Church… of course you would need to sanitize your hands after touching such a horrible icky person.:rolleyes:


#17

At Mass? Certainly not. Why would someone even want to do that?


#18

[quote=Lilyofthevalley]of course you would need to sanitize your hands after touching such a horrible icky person.:rolleyes:
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Exactly!!! Just one more reason to only receive the Host on the tongue.


#19

Assualt no. Restrain if necessary, yes. To defend the Church, the priest, congregation and the Mass would seem to be a duty. While this situation applies to the US and more benign forms, the Church faces violent threats elsewhere in the world where this question is more relevent (ex. mobs with weapons). Thanks and God Bless.


#20

[quote=Trelow]Not exactly the same thing, but I wouldn’t assault someone just because I had a disagreement with them.

Only if they were attacking somebody else, including Jesus. Or in other unlikely circumstances.
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If we assaulted somebody for attacking Jesus, then we may be in good company, as Peter did the same thing, but then Jesus admonished Peter and un-assaulted the attacker.

Alan


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