Is one world Government Avoidable ?

Wherever we turn we see Globalisation , Blocks of countries comming together through
Free Trade agreements , Even countries suspicious of one another are becoming as one through Corpoate Globalisation , We see migrants flood Europe to become at one with Europe , will the world meld as one world Government , or might it all explode into a huge Civil war ? Is it all to late ?

Even if world government were approaching (there is no evidence for it) why is it something to fight?

Because, starting with Martin Luther, people can’t keep their hands off the Apocalypse of Saint John, and project their own paranoid fantasies into it. :smiley:

On a less flippant note: an officially secular one-world government, especially one that was powerful and not a lame duck (like the United Nations), would probably be a major enemy of the Catholic faith - not necessarily in a “The Great Antichrist” sense, but in the sense of being pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-political correctness, and so on… :frowning:

Bring on the WG, I say.

Anything that makes it harder for a major war to begin is worth at least trying.

ICXC NIKA

Couldn’t agree more. One world government would have way to much power over the people. It won’t work out very well for Christians. This Utopia that people believe is possible doesn’t exist in this world.

Was it Benjamin Franklin?

" … a Republican form of government … IF YOU CAN KEEP IT."

It takes a lot of work to avoid the seductive trap of big government.

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www3.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/cp51.htm

**Elementary Course

of

CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY

Based on the Principles of
the Best Scholastic Authors

Adapted from the French of
Brother Louis of Poissy**

by

The Brothers of the Christian Schools

**Nihil Obstat.
D. J. McMAHON, D.D.

Imprimatur.**

  • MICHAEL AUGUSTINE,
    ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK

NEW YORK, Aug. 11, 1898.

***Brief of Our Holy Father, Pope Pius IX…

Given at Rome, at St. Peter’s, March 18, 1876, in the thirtieth year of Our Pontificate.

PIUS IX., POPE…***

**Chapter IV. The Society of Nations.

  1. The nations are destined by nature to unite under a new and more extended form of society**. – The nations, finding themselves in contact with one another, are obliged to aspire to a common good, which consists in order; it is, therefore, the design of nature that they form a universal society. The same conclusion is drawn from the need which nations experience of associating for their material, intellectual, and moral development…

121. The associated nations should apply themselves to the gradual formation of a government endowed in the highest degree with unity and efficacy; and this government should have threefold power, legislative, executive, and judiciary. – The government of this universal society should possess the conditions of all government. The more it is one and efficacious, the more will harmony reign among the nations. If all international controversies and all the abuses of power by those who govern could legitimately be summoned to its tribunal, there would soon be an end of all international or civil war.

Blessed Pope Pius IX authorised the publication of the above.

In 2011 a ‘note’ by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace incurred the ire of quite a few people on this forum as I recall, for uttering statements such as the following. The principal author, Cardinal Turkson, was essentially scapegoated by these individuals for daring to write the following with Pope Benedict XVI’s blessing:

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20111024_nota_en.html

**PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE

TOWARDS REFORMING
THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS
IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY**

Modern States became structured wholes over time and reinforced sovereignty within their own territory. But social, cultural and political conditions have gradually changed. Their interdependence has grown – so it has become natural to think of an international community that is integrated and increasingly ruled by a shared system – but a worse form of nationalism has lingered on, according to which the State feels it can achieve the good of its own citizens in a self-sufficient way.

Today all of this seems anachronistic and surreal, and all nations, great or small, together with their governments, are called to go beyond the “state of nature” which would keep States in a never-ending struggle with one another. Globalization, despite some of its negative aspects, is unifying peoples more and prompting them to move towards a new “rule of law” on the supranational level, supported by more intense and fruitful modes of collaboration. With dynamics similar to those that put an end in the past to the “anarchical” struggle between rival clans and kingdoms with regard to the creation of national states, today humanity needs to be committed to the transition from a situation of archaic struggles between national entities, to a new model of a more cohesive, polyarchic international society that respects every people’s identity within the multifaceted riches of a single humanity…

The time has come to conceive of institutions with universal competence, now that vital goods shared by the entire human family are at stake, goods which individual States cannot promote and protect by themselves.

The conditions exist for going definitively beyond a ‘Westphalian’ international order in which States feel the need for cooperation but do not seize the opportunity to integrate their respective sovereignties for the common good of peoples.

It is the task of today’s generation to recognize and consciously to accept these new world dynamics for the achievement of a universal common good. Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation’s powers to a world Authority and to regional Authorities, but this is necessary at a time when the dynamism of human society and the economy and the progress of technology are transcending borders.

The birth of a new society and the building of new institutions with a universal vocation and competence are a prerogative and a duty for everyone, without distinction. What is at stake is the common good of humanity and the future itself.

Some Catholics seem to honestly think that this is a “modern” idea in the Catholic Church, indeed an infiltration by “loony liberals” possessed with utopian fantasies, some manifestation of the ‘spirit of Vatican II’ that has no basis in the Church’s tradition. This could not be further removed from the truth.

They also fail to realize that the European Union, for instance, the world’s only true and thus far working example of a supranational regional authority, was originally created by Catholic politicians under the aegis of Pope Pius XII and would not exist except for our Church’s social doctrine - indeed without Thomistic scholasticism - hence why the foundational principles of the Union are “solidarity, subsidiarity and unity”.

I quoted in my previous post from a monumental work of Catholic philosophy from the 19th century, which not only received the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur but was published in 1876 with a brief from Blessed Pope Pius XI.

It doesn’t seem to matter how many authoritative documents I reference. If I wrote a comprehensive thesis on it, which I may feel called to do one day, these people alt would refuse to believe me because their brains have become so utterly influenced by our Evangelical Protestant brethren into having a morbid phobia of global governance in any form.

If people study the relevant documents bereft of preconceived bias, it will become clear to them that the Catholic Church does believe in the need for “global political authority” as countless encyclicals have called for.

It shouldn’t matter that this is unpalatable to modern day folks, so inured as they are to the Westphalian international order of sovereign nation-states that developed out of the Thirty Years War in the 17th century (incidentally, a war that the so-called “Catholic” side effectively lost to the Protestant, nationalist powers) and became solidified by the spread of the French Revolution. It shouldn’t matter because it is what the Church teaches in this domain and so, just like we shouldn’t be afraid to stand up to societal norms favouring gay marriage or abortion policies, we shouldn’t be afraid to oppose extreme nationalism and militant Westphalian approaches to state sovereignty either.

The current global system can be improved if people start following the principles enunciated by our Church in her social doctrine…but first, Catholics actually have to get on board with it and move beyond the prejudices bred into us by our surrounding societies and separated brethren from other denominations IMHO.

It will never work, there are too many differences between people, living environments, etc for a single ruling body to properly take care of all the needs successfuly. A United Nations type organization with the ability to shine a spotlight on specific problems (but not really legislate about them) is probably the best we can do.

The Church isn’t calling for a single, monolithic body to micro-manage. That would conflict with subsidiarity. Every sphere has its appropriate degree of action. What can be handled at a lower level more effectively than a higher level should be handled by the lower level. The mistake is to think this means there shouldn’t be a higher level at all. In that case, you’d have anarchy and no federal or national government just communes at the local level.

This is an error in respect to what the Church teaches about duly constituted authority. It regards the international, globalised society we now find ourselves moving towards to be lacking something essential to its proper functioning.

The problem is that today certain matters of glob import cannot be efficiently addressed by national governments alone. Hence why Pope St. John Paul II said that we need a truly judicial international system with a political authority to give it genuine sanction in these limited domains.

The Church is therefore calling for the international level to finally develop an appropriate sphere of authority like the national (and at least in Europe regional) and locales have gradually designed developed over the centuries.

Believe it or not, She doesn’t much like the chaotic “state of nature” which has governed international affairs since the 17th century.

You can certainly deny that it would ever work but an unbiased study of the source material leads to the inevitable conclusion that the Church desires significant change in our present international order that would see portions state sovereignty ceded to “higher” authorities that currently do not exist, except in Europe.

BTW I fully accept that what I’m saying isn’t going to go down well. Our cultures are not yet ready for the shift demanded, hence the Church expects opposition just as our Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI received when he called for a UN with “real teeth” in his 2009 Caritas encyclical.

Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. :wink:

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

To that, I would quote what Ronald Raegan said -

Furthermore, with a couple major powers, it is a risk that they could war with one another, but it is also true that if one major power were to go rogue (become corrupt, swept away with a false ideology and commit great evils like Nazi Germany), there would be other powers that could combat them, acting as a deterrent and keeping world leaders in check as far as possible, if this is no longer the case, and we end up with one world governing body, than it’s true that the risk of atomic warfare is greatly reduced, but it is also true that if this governing body were to go rogue, who would there be to stand up to it?

There is absolutely no way I would ever support a global governing body, one that would transcend the local governing bodies anyway. As the old sayin’ goes* “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”*

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

If and when it ever happens, most people who think it will be a boon to mankind will be sorely disappointed.

But no one’s calling for a government on a global scale with “absolute” power.

Limited power in its own domain in the areas it should have authority over.

Including the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

The world political authority would have a constitution, would it not, specifying the clearly circumscribed limits of its power?

Underneath it would be powerful regional authorities and national governments with their constitutional guarantees of non-interference by the higher authority in their autonomous domains.

The key thing is “subsidiarity and solidarity,” the two key principles of Catholic Social Teaching (that the EU enshrined as its fundamental constitutional principles, actually).

Why do you assume that a “world government” would be Western-style, federal republic rather than something far more oppressive?

To combat Climate Change, it requires it, a global governing body that transcends the local governing bodies because it’s in relation to the world that we all share. You can’t have another Country doing their own thing, otherwise it makes all efforts futile.

Anyway, that’s my conspiracy for the day :stuck_out_tongue: Id just mention, that it could happen in subtle forms.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

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