Is Society SSPX Mass OK?

I was wondering if going to this Mass is acceptable? I found out
information that it might not be. I wonder because I like
tradtionalism, and love the Latin Mass. But if it is not acceptable,
I wont be going. I have not attended a Latin Mass in a Tradtional
Church. Nor have I or my husband studied Cathechism with them.
I was going to go tonight, but not if it is a mortal sin. No way.
I’d like some help if someone can point out facts to me. I’d
like 100% proof if its valid or not. If not, then I wont be attending
the Tradtional Church. I read the website of one, and it says nothing about the bishops being excommunicated. Does anyone have any points to offer?

I went to confession at a church near my boyfriend’s house one time and they have a sheet that helps examine one’s concience. One of the questions said “Have I been involved in groups that are not approved by the Roman Catholic Church?” Then it listed examples some were, SSPX, Catholics for a free choice and others. So I’m going to take a stab and say that it’s probably not ok to attend their masses. If you go to masstimes.org you can find churches that have Latin masses on certain days and times.

The only time it would be ok to attend an SSPX Mass is if it was physically or morally impossible to attend an approved Mass, be it Novus Ordo, Tridentine, or Eastern Rite. It would be physically impossible if the nearest approved Mass was so far away that one could not make a trip there without extreme difficulty. It would be morally impossible if, for example, all the approved Masses around you had serious abuses that would invalidate them and the SSPX Mass was the only valid Mass near you.

[quote=DavidJoseph]The only time it would be ok to attend an SSPX Mass is if it was physically or morally impossible to attend an approved Mass, be it Novus Ordo, Tridentine, or Eastern Rite. It would be physically impossible if the nearest approved Mass was so far away that one could not make a trip there without extreme difficulty. It would be morally impossible if, for example, all the approved Masses around you had serious abuses that would invalidate them and the SSPX Mass was the only valid Mass near you.
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Actually, the obligation to attend Mass would cease if it was physically impossible to attend an approved Mass. Thus, there would be no good reason to attend the Mass of the SSPX. What do you mean by “serious abuses that would invalidate them?” I’m curious.

It might be okay to visit their Mass, but only if you have taken Communion from your parish already that same day (their Masses will not fulfill your Sunday obligation). If you do go, don’t take their communion. If you want to go just to experience the Latin Mass like I did, then go for it, but whatever you do, do not take the communion and do not start going to their chapels on a weekly basis until they are in communion with the Holy Father. You are right, you would be excommunicated if you accept communion from one of their priests because it would constitute a schsimatic act (because they are in schism).

Archbishop Lefebvre was the founder of the SSPX and was excommunicated because he ordained 4 bishops without consulting the Holy See. All of their priests and bishops were/have been ordained illicitly.

What Marilena needs to know, is it ok to study the Catechism with them, as she planned to go tonight, and can she and her husband attend their Masses instead of the NO Mass.

Also maybe someone can steer her in the right direction regarding the Church’s stance on the status of SSPX. Anyone??

(Just trying to help you get the answers you asked for) :slight_smile:

[quote=Semper Fi] but whatever you do, do not take the communion and do not start going to their chapels on a weekly basis until they are in communion with the Holy Father. You are right, you would be excommunicated if you accept communion from one of their priests because it would constitute a schsimatic act (because they are in schism).

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Is this because their priests cannot consecrate the host? So people would just be receiving bread? Or is there another reason?

[quote=paramedicgirl]Is this because their priests cannot consecrate the host? So people would just be receiving bread? Or is there another reason?
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The priests of the SSPX have valid orders and can confect the Blessed Sacrament.

Their situation is far less cut and dried that a lot of people (here and at other places) care to admit.

Attending SSPX masses are not okay if you intend them to fulfill your sunday obligation, and yes they ARE in schism (broken away).

Here is Pope John Paul II’s word on it: vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html

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In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church’s law.(8) *

[quote=Catholic29]Attending SSPX masses are not okay if you intend them to fulfill your sunday obligation, and yes they ARE in schism (broken away).

Here is Pope John Paul II’s word on it: vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html

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You can fulfill your Sunday Oblgation at an SSPX Mass.

[quote=Dropper]You can fulfill your Sunday Oblgation at an SSPX Mass.
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No, you can’t. You can only accept their sacraments under very rigid circumstances. It would be like saying you can fulfill your Sunday obligation at an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy.

[quote=Semper Fi]No, you can’t. You can only accept their sacraments under very rigid terms.
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You can fulfill your Sunday obligation as per the Msgr. Perl Letter. ie: If you are attending an SSPX Mass out of devotion for the 1962 Missal and not to adhere to any supposed schism.

[quote=Dropper]You can fulfill your Sunday obligation as per the Msgr. Perl Letter. ie: If you are attending an SSPX Mass out of devotion for the 1962 Missal and not to adhere to any supposed schism.
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Until the SSPX submit to the Roman pontiff they are in schism. No ‘supposed’ schism about it, until they do this. They have valid Eucharist (illicit) yes; but it is not obligatory for a Catholic to take the Eucharist at their Mass even if there were no Catholic churches near and there was an SSPX chapel.

[quote=Dropper]You can fulfill your Sunday obligation as per the Msgr. Perl Letter. ie: If you are attending an SSPX Mass out of devotion for the 1962 Missal and not to adhere to any supposed schism.
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Read the WHOLE of the letter. You’re misleading people. It applied to a specific circumstance and to a specific person.

An appeal is made to canon 144 §1 (“In common error, whether of fact or of law, and in positive and probable doubt, whether of law or of fact, the Church supplies executive power of governance for both the external and the internal forum”) and canon 844 §2 (“Whenever necessity requires or a genuine spiritual advantage commends it, and provided the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, Christ’s faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister, may lawfully received the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid”) of the 1983 Code of Canon Law in regard to the sacraments of penance and matrimony, for whose validity ordinary jurisdiction is normally required, as justification for their exercise of a jurisdiction supplied extraordinarily, not only for these sacraments, but even for marriage annulments and dispensations.

[quote=Semper Fi]No, you can’t. You can only accept their sacraments under very rigid circumstances. It would be like saying you can fulfill your Sunday obligation at an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy.
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Sorry, but I am still a little confused about their sacraments. Is it correct to say that SSPX has valid sacraments but we are not to receive them because doing so promotes their schism?

[quote=paramedicgirl]Sorry, but I am still a little confused about their sacraments. Is it correct to say that SSPX has valid sacraments but we are not to receive them because doing so promotes their schism?
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Yes, all of the SSPX as priests have valid orders (thru apostolic succession) as far as I know, but since they are relieved of their priestly duties and excommunicated accepting the sacraments at an SSPX chapel would be a schismatic act unless there are very specific circumstances (i.e. you are dying and there isn’t another Catholic priest available).

[quote=Dropper]You can fulfill your Sunday obligation as per the Msgr. Perl Letter. ie: If you are attending an SSPX Mass out of devotion for the 1962 Missal and not to adhere to any supposed schism.
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Dropper,

You are misleading people. The Msgr. Perl letter said that a specific person in a specific circumstance could fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending a chapel. He has clarified this fact in his follow up letter which would have never been necessary if the original letter had been interpretted correctly. unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm
The SSPX and it’s supporters love to promote half-truths and thing quite taken out of context. It has never been said that one could fulfill their Sunday obligation out of devotion. It only said that it would not be a sin for you to attend. There apparently were a few different questions asked in the original letter (which has very oddly never been shown to us despite the fact that the response was blasted far and wide). One question was whether or not it would be a sin to attend an SSPX Mass and the other was whether or not it would fulfill this specific person’s Sunday obligation. You seem to be lumping 2 together. Can you show me one document, letter, etc. that says the faithful (and I mean more than one individual who’s circumstance is unknown) can fulfill their Sunday obligation at an SSPX chapel? You can’t claim the original Msgr. Perl letter does this because he sent out another one saying that his answer was only sent to one person in a specific circumstance. You should be asking yourself why Msgr. Perl had to send out another letter if his first letter was being interpretted correctly the first time by those who would like to say that the SSPX Mass is just fine.

[quote=paramedicgirl]Sorry, but I am still a little confused about their sacraments. Is it correct to say that SSPX has valid sacraments but we are not to receive them because doing so promotes their schism?
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All of their sacraments except for confession (unless in danger of death) and marriage are valid but illicit. The priest need faculties from the local bishop to hear confessions or to preside over weddings. Without these faculties, these two sacraments are invalid not just illicit.

[quote=JKirkLVNV]Actually, the obligation to attend Mass would cease if it was physically impossible to attend an approved Mass. Thus, there would be no good reason to attend the Mass of the SSPX. What do you mean by “serious abuses that would invalidate them?” I’m curious.
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What I meant by abuses that would invalidate the Mass, I meant the usual things that would render a Mass invalid such as invalid matter or not saying the proper words during the consecration.

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