This discussion started on the thread Original Sin. (here at around post 16 forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=11290)SoSo") as not to highjack it, this new thread was started. Here is the discussion from before.
posted by Myhrr
Under the terms of your ‘contract’ with the RCC you are required to give complete submission of will and intellect to these doctrines on faith and morals from the Pope and magesterium, the infallible teaching authority, even if you don’t have belief in them.
posted by MariaG [left]My contract with the RCC? My ‘contract’ if you want to call it that is with Christ. And Christ made it clear that He wished us to submit to the authority of the Church. Since Christ is the church (Col 1:18), I submit my will to Christ.
Posted by Myhrr [left]Good for you. However, the RCC claims that its bishop of Rome is the head of the Church in place of Christ, I was referring to that particular ‘contract’.
This is clearly seen in RCC confirmation as being the connection between the confirmed and the bishop confirming and through that to the RCC, since his validity as a bishop of the RCC is only through obedience to the Pope who claims to be the head of the Church.
Are you saying that you’ve by-passed this and gone direct to Christ for authority?
[left]My reply is this:[/left]
[left]It is impossible to separate out the issue of Christ being the church:[/left]
[left]Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church…[/left]
[left]From the issue of the authority of the church. [/left]
[left]Mt 16:19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.[/left]
[left]The Keys of the kingdom, Christ’s authority, were given to Peter. Christ’s authority has been passed down to each successive pope. (This is the same concept as confession. Only God forgives sin, but He gave the authority to do so in His name to His apostles Jn 20:23)[/left]
[left]Christ is the head of the body, the church. Christ gave that authority to Peter to be a visible head acting for Him when He would be gone from this earth. Peter has passed on this authority to each pope. So the current pope is “head of the church” because of the authority from Christ to act as His representative. [/left]