Is there rank in heaven?


#1

Is there rank in heaven? If Mary is the Queen of Heaven, are others ranked?


#2

[quote="sainthumbert, post:1, topic:334401"]
Is there rank in heaven? If Mary is the Queen of Heaven, are others ranked?

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Yes but it is not exactly the kind of 'rank' we see on earth.

Now in Christ we are all equal in worth and dignity, but we aren't all equal in how we chose to exercise that on earth.

We know that the Twelve Apostles, for example, will be 'set up' as part of the heavenly rule in the New Jerusalem. But will they be 'lording it over us', or will they be exerting themselves to the utmost to SERVE us? I think the latter.

Mary's being Queen doesn't mean she is going to be sitting on a throne eating cherry bonbons and expecting us all to come up and curtsey to her every minute. .it means that as Queen she is going to be serving us, just as Christ, the "Master", made Himself a servant to the least ones.

So the 'higher' a person is (by virtue of his/her striving in life to be like Christ), the more that person in heaven will be attending to God and to others. We won't be noticing their rank by our being 'inferior' to them, but instead we will rejoice with them as they and we serve God to our fullness, forever.


#3

[quote="sainthumbert, post:1, topic:334401"]
Is there rank in heaven? If Mary is the Queen of Heaven, are others ranked?

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The first will be last and the last will be first. :)


#4

Rank can mean different things -- authority over others, dignity, merit, glory, greatness, etc. One can be higher in one of these respects, but lower in another.

Our Lord talked about levels of personal greatness and corresponding reward in heaven (e.g., Mt 5:19, 18:4; Jn. 14:2; Apoc. 22:12), as did St. Paul (e.g., 2 Cor. 9:6), but I can't think of any passages dealing with the practical exercise of authority of some Saints in Heaven over others.


#5

[quote="Tantum_ergo, post:2, topic:334401"]
Yes but it is not exactly the kind of 'rank' we see on earth.

Now in Christ we are all equal in worth and dignity, but we aren't all equal in how we chose to exercise that on earth.

We know that the Twelve Apostles, for example, will be 'set up' as part of the heavenly rule in the New Jerusalem. But will they be 'lording it over us', or will they be exerting themselves to the utmost to SERVE us? I think the latter.

Mary's being Queen doesn't mean she is going to be sitting on a throne eating cherry bonbons and expecting us all to come up and curtsey to her every minute. .it means that as Queen she is going to be serving us, just as Christ, the "Master", made Himself a servant to the least ones.

So the 'higher' a person is (by virtue of his/her striving in life to be like Christ), the more that person in heaven will be attending to God and to others. We won't be noticing their rank by our being 'inferior' to them, but instead we will rejoice with them as they and we serve God to our fullness, forever.

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THIS....:thumbsup:


#6

Is there any where in Scripture telling us the we go from Glory to Glory?, I heard that is true. Peace, Carlan


#7

God judges with equity, not equality. Heaven will certain have rank, in fact, according to the Tanya (a collection of book in Chabad), there are several grades or levels of Heaven! A first Heaven, second Heaven, etc.


#8

According to the Sacred Council of Trent (1545-63) Session VI Canon 32 (D 842), a just person earns an increase of heavenly glory through good works.

842 Can. 32. If anyone shall say that the good works of the man justified are in such a way the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him who is justified, or that the one justified by the good works, which are done by him through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (whose living member he is), does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life (if he should die in grace), and also an increase of glory: let him be anathema [cf. n. 803and 809].

Likewise Church Father Tertullian of Carthage (c. 160 - c. 225) draws a reference (Scorpiace, Chapter 6) to the many mansions in Christ mentions St. John 14:2, and the varying glory of the Sun, the Moon and the stars St. Paul speaks about in 1. Cor. 15:41.

Or how will there be many mansions in our Father's house, if not to accord with a diversity of deserts? How will one star also differ from another star in glory, unless in virtue of disparity in their rays?


#9

[quote="Robert_Sock, post:7, topic:334401"]
God judges with equity, not equality. Heaven will certain have rank, in fact, according to the Tanya (a collection of book in Chabad), there are several grades or levels of Heaven! A first Heaven, second Heaven, etc.

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Do they tell you how it works that way, where do they get it from basically, the Torah or what? I am embarrassed to show my ignorance. Peace, Carlan


#10

[quote="Glacies, post:8, topic:334401"]
According to the Sacred Council of Trent (1545-63) Session VI Canon 32 (D 842), a just person earns an increase of heavenly glory through good works.

Likewise Church Father Tertullian of Carthage (c. 160 - c. 225) draws a reference (Scorpiace, Chapter 6) to the

[quote]many mansions in Christ mentions St. John 14:2, and the varying glory of the Sun, the Moon and the stars St. Paul speaks about in 1. Cor. 15:41.

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Or how will there be many mansions in our Father's house, if not to accord with a diversity of deserts? How will one star also differ from another star in glory, unless in virtue of disparity in their rays?

OK, thanks!Carlan
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