Is this a Catolic Doctrine? (The Pope is like God on Earth?)


#1

VATICAN IMPERIALISM IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY by Avro Manhattan, Copyright 1965 by Zondervan Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan

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p, 51
“If the Pope is second only to God, it follows that he partakes of the characteristic of the Divinity itself, and the medieval doctors could hardly find words to express such a credence adequately: ‘Pope is not simply a man, but almost a God on earth.’”

p, 52
“ As a creatures exalted above all, therefore the Pope is without equal. That means that if there is only One God in heaven, so there ought to be only one God on earth. And who might such a God be, if not the Pope? ‘as there only one God in heaven, so there ought to be a God on earth. All Christians, therefore, should look upon the Pope as God himself.’”

p, 62
“ to quote only one characteristic case. In 1335 Bishop Alvarez Pelayo laid down the doctrine that as Christ partook of the nature of God and man, so the Pope as his vicar participates with him in the divine nature as to spiritual thing, and in the nature of man as to temporal matters, so that he is not simply a man, but rather a God on earth.

THE BOOK OF CATHOLIC QUOTATIONS
Selected and edited by John Chapin, General Editor, Nihil Obstat: John A. Goodman, J.C.D., Censor Librorum. Imprimatur: Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York, First Published in 1957 by John Calder (Publisher) Ltd. 17 Sackville Street, London, WI., Printed in the United States of America

p.710
“Your Holiness holds the place of God on earth”
“The Pope may act outside the law, above the law and against the law”
“Accept, receive, take are the words pleasing to the Pope”


#2

The pope’s position, his office, is that of Christ’s representative. He is just a man. His position is tremendously important to us but the man who occupies the office is just a human being, certainly not God (as evinced by the all-too-human acts of some of them back in the old days).

Important as his office is, the pope technically is our servant. Pope John Paul II’s favorite title as pope was “Servant of the Servants of God.” He is there for our benefit.


#3

The Pope represents Christ on earth.
Christ is God.
Therefore, the Pope represents God on earth.
However, the Church has never taught that the Pope is God.

The original post quoted a book that was quoting other sources, but did not give the references of those other sources.


#4

The entire community of believers represent the mystical body of Christ - the pope represents Peter.


#5

The Pope is like God on Earth-Nope, not a Church doctrine.
This is, I think, a misinterpretation AND a misrepresentation of the idea that the Pope is the Vicar (the Ambassador, so to speak) of Christ Jesus, who is God.

Here are useful tips on finding out whether something is Church doctrine or not:

-Look first at tested and reliable sources, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Catechism lists the beliefs of the Church listed in detail. Check whether supposed ‘belief’ in question is present. If not, more likely it is false.

-Ask for citations for the belief in question. If quotes from various works are presented, check the citations if either the quote is misquoted, taken out of context, twisted in meaning, paraphrased misleadingly or merely invented out of thin air. With the internet this and the above tip is becoming more easy to do.

-Do not ever trust articles which use a lot of uppercase words for emphasis. :smiley:


#6

If you read books writen by people who hate the CC you will always find info that the CC is pure evil, whore of Babylon, etc. Avro Manhattan was Jewish and as you know very well Jews hate Christians (especially the CC) since the beginning of Christianity.
Pope is the person who, guided by the Holy Spirit, rules God’s Church on earth. God bless.


#7

From the Source:Lucius Ferraris “Papa,” art. 2, in his Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica. (“Handy Library”), Vol. 5, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition, column 1823, Latin.

#1. “The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God.”

#13. "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions."

#18. “As to papal authority, the Pope is as it were God on earth, Sole sovereign of all the faithful of Christ, chief king of kings, having a plentitude of unbroken power, entrusted by the omnipotent God to govern the earthly and heavenly kingdoms.”

#30. "The Pope is of so great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws."

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/1823-24.htm


#8

The primacy that was promised to Peter is under a threefold symbol (cf. Matthew 16:13-20)

  1. he is to be the rock that ensures indestructible solidity to the Christian Church

  2. he is to be the master of the house, as the symbol of the keys suggests

  3. he receives the power of binding and loosing, that is to say, of remitting or retaining sins and of imposing or relieving from obligations; this, last conferred upon the Apostles as a body, is now confirmed upon Peter personally. In Peter, therefore, are united the powers of all the Apostles.


#9

From the Catechism:

**The episcopal college and its head, the Pope **
880 When Christ instituted the Twelve, "he constituted [them] in the form of a college or permanent assembly, at the head of which he placed Peter, chosen from among them."398 Just as "by the Lord’s institution, St. Peter and the rest of the apostles constitute a single apostolic college, so in like fashion the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, and the bishops, the successors of the apostles, are related with and united to one another."399
881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the “rock” of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.400 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head."401 This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church’s very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.
882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403
883 “The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, as its head.” As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff."404
884 "The college of bishops exercises power over the universal Church in a solemn manner in an ecumenical council."405 But "there never is an ecumenical council which is not confirmed or at least recognized as such by Peter’s successor."406
885 "This college, in so far as it is composed of many members, is the expression of the variety and universality of the People of God; and of the unity of the flock of Christ, in so far as it is assembled under one head."407
886 "The individual *bishops *are the visible source and foundation of unity in their own particular Churches."408 As such, they "exercise their pastoral office over the portion of the People of God assigned to them,"409 assisted by priests and deacons. But, as a member of the episcopal college, each bishop shares in the concern for all the Churches.410 The bishops exercise this care first “by ruling well their own Churches as portions of the universal Church,” and so contributing "to the welfare of the whole Mystical Body, which, from another point of view, is a corporate body of Churches."411 They extend it especially to the poor,412 to those persecuted for the faith, as well as to missionaries who are working throughout the world. 887 Neighboring particular Churches who share the same culture form ecclesiastical provinces or larger groupings called patriarchates or regions.413 The bishops of these groupings can meet in synods or provincial councils. "In a like fashion, the episcopal conferences at the present time are in a position to contribute in many and fruitful ways to the concrete realization of the collegiate spirit."414


#10

Even if one were to accept this, there is nothing that says Peter anyone you pass on the keys to has authority over the “whole church” If that were the case antioch is the only area we KNOW for certain as recorded in ECF’s that Peter ALONE passed on a bishopric.

Again even if, it does not pass on THAT universal authority.

Peter NOT the pope

PETER, NOT B16 or any in between >><<


#11

Does it even make anysense that Jesus would organize a religion without an organizational head and office?


#12

Primacy of Peter
Mt 16:18 - upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church
Mt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & loose
Lk 22:32 - Peter’s faith will strengthen his brethren
Jn 21:17 - given Christ’s flock as chief shepherd
Mk 16:7 - angel sent to announce Resurrection to Peter
Lk 24:34 - risen Jesus first appeared to Peter
Acts 1:13-26 - headed meeting which elected Matthias
Acts 2:14 - led Apostles in preaching on Pentecost
Acts 2:41 - received first converts
Acts 3:6-7 - performed first miracle after Pentecost
Acts 5:1-11 - inflicted first punishment: Ananias & Saphira
Acts 8:21 - excommunicated first heretic, Simon Magnus
Acts 10:44-46 - received revelation to admit Gentiles into Church
Acts 15:7 - led first council in Jerusalem
Acts 15:19 - pronounces first dogmatic decision
Gal 1:18 - after conversion, Paul visits chief Apostle
*Gal 2:11-14 - I opposed Cephas to his face for his hypocrisy
Peter’s name always heads list of Apostles: Mt 10;14; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13
"Peter and his companions" Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7
Spoke for Apostles - Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45; 12:41; Jn 6:69
Peter’s name occurs 195 times, more than all the rest put together

Apostolic Succession
2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord’s
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God’s messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets…
1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, …
Acts 1:20 - let another take his office
Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry
1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed


#13

Exactly! Thank you.


#14

Exactly! Thank you.


#15

Yes, this is the Teaching of the Church.

Well, we see it differently. :wink:

However, Apostles held an “office” and they passed on the duties and responsibilities of that office to the bishops, who have continued to choose faithful men who were able to teach others also, and that is the Apostolic Succession. None of the Apostles were given Keys but Peter, though, and he had a specific ministry that Jesus gave particularly to him.

What evidence are you using to support the idea that the authority was going to dissolve upon the death of Peter?

The pope is the recipient of the Keys, and the responsibilites of the office of Peter.

What do you think happened to the Keys?


#16

Did you check the sofa?


#17

:rotfl: :clapping:


#18

The Eucharist is God on earth.


#19

From history we know that St. Peter died a martyr in Rome and that the bishops of Rome have always regarded themselves, so far as historical records reaches, as possessors of his episcopal See. Nowhere throughout Christendom has another See been established which has claimed in the same sense as Rome to be the See of Peter. Two facts belong the to the solid substance of the ancient Christian tradition: first, that there has never been a Peter-less, non-Roman Catholic Church, and that communion with Peter and with the Roman Church has been regarded from the earliest times as a fundamental necessity of the Catholic conscience; secondly, that Rome has been conscious from the most ancient times, from the days of Clement and Ignatius of its pre-eminence, and has exercised as “president in love” (Ignatius), and “principal Church” (Cyprian), an authoritative and decisive influence on the developement of doctrine, morals and worship. We hold it as an historical certainty which is ultimately founded on faith in the rational nature of our Lord’s work and on the conviction that He guards His Church, that Peter lives on in the bishops of Rome. We know no other Peter in our community, and no man knows of any other. It is our belief that we have in the bishop of Rome the Peter upon whom Christ at Caesarea Philippi established His Church.


#20

WHAAAAAAAAAAT?
What happened to the Holy Spirit?
Or Papa Benny 16?

:eek:


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