Is this an okay statement?


#1

Hi,

I sent this statement to a Protestant friend not realizing the theological underpinnings of it. Does it sound correct?

Christ Jesus alone to be saved? We agree. We disagree on the fact that Jesus is somehow divorced from His Visible Church who is saved as a whole, the Body of Christ. This doesn't negate that we are all personally responsible to receive salvation by the grace of God through Jesus Christ.

Thanks,
Brian


#2

It does not sound incorrect. But coming from an ignorant fellow as me, it's not much of an nihil obstat :D


#3

Christ Jesus alone to be saved? We agree.

John 14:6: Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth* and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

We disagree on the fact that Jesus is somehow divorced from His Visible Church who is saved as a whole, the Body of Christ.

[FONT=Arial]Matthew 16: 18-19 [/FONT]And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

John 14: 13-14 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.

This doesn't negate that we are all personally responsible to receive salvation by the grace of God through Jesus Christ.

John 6: 53-54 "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

[FONT=Arial][size=2]Luke 22: 19-20 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, [/FONT][/size]“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

[FONT=Calibri]John 20: 21-23 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”[/FONT]


Christ said, "I will build my church" He did not say " I will start it and leave it to you to build. Christ continues to build His Church. "If you ask in my name, I will do it" has no time limit attached to this eternal promise.

To receive eternal salvation, we must personally accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. But THIS means we must accept Him all the way. We must continually receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation that Christ established and also receive HIM in Holy Eucharist.


While I cannot say who will be saved and not, I can say, with all my heart, that ONLY the Catholic Church has the FULLNESS of Christ. If anyone claims to LOVE Christ, it only seems reasonable that he or she would want to be as close to Christ as possible. The Sacraments of Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist - Christ in the here and now and not 'divorced' - are in the Catholic Church.

Chirst invites us. RSVP.

To RSVP or not is our personal responsibility.


#4

I get stuck at the word "alone" in the Protestant's statement. "Alone" as opposed to what? Aren't there Protestant churches? Aren't there protestant books? aren't there protestant creeds?

The Catholic Church adheres to the standards of scripture, tradition, and magisterium. Every Christian church has scripture and its versions of tradition and magisterium, they just like to pretend that they don't. Don't be fooled.


#5

Gratefulfred, is it okay with you if I print your post in this thread out? It’s so plainly stated and I always feel tongue tied when I try to explain.


#6

[quote="MrsLilreader, post:5, topic:309553"]
Gratefulfred, is it okay with you if I print your post in this thread out? It's so plainly stated and I always feel tongue tied when I try to explain.

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Of course, MrsLilreader, you may use my posts in any way you deem helpful. It is our shared privilege to help others better understand our relationship with God.


#7

[quote="GratefulFred, post:3, topic:309553"]
Christ Jesus alone to be saved? We agree.

John 14:6: Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth* and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

We disagree on the fact that Jesus is somehow divorced from His Visible Church who is saved as a whole, the Body of Christ.

[FONT=Arial]Matthew 16: 18-19 [/FONT]And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

John 14: 13-14 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.

This doesn't negate that we are all personally responsible to receive salvation by the grace of God through Jesus Christ.

John 6: 53-54 "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

[FONT=Arial][size=2]Luke 22: 19-20[/size] And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, [/FONT]“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

[FONT=Calibri]John 20: 21-23 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”[/FONT]


Christ said, "I will build my church" He did not say " I will start it and leave it to you to build. Christ continues to build His Church. "If you ask in my name, I will do it" has no time limit attached to this eternal promise.

To receive eternal salvation, we must personally accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. But THIS means we must accept Him all the way. We must continually receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation that Christ established and also receive HIM in Holy Eucharist.


While I cannot say who will be saved and not, I can say, with all my heart, that ONLY the Catholic Church has the FULLNESS of Christ. If anyone claims to LOVE Christ, it only seems reasonable that he or she would want to be as close to Christ as possible. The Sacraments of Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist - Christ in the here and now and not 'divorced' - are in the Catholic Church.

Chirst invites us. RSVP.

To RSVP or not is our personal responsibility.

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Thank you Fred and All Posters! God Bless You, Brian


#8

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