Is this consistent with Catholic teaching?


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I am in a difficult situation. When I was younger, my parent used me to cheat on his taxes. I now have a bank account, which only I can access, that contains some of the money that is the result of my parent’s dishonesty. I asked a priest about this situation, and he told me to use the money for my education on the condition that I will help another person go to college when I grow up. What do you think of this advice? Is it sound, or do I need to consult a different priest?


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[quote=kyrieleison]I am in a difficult situation. When I was younger, my parent used me to cheat on his taxes. I now have a bank account, which only I can access, that contains some of the money that is the result of my parent’s dishonesty. I asked a priest about this situation, and he told me to use the money for my education on the condition that I will help another person go to college when I grow up. What do you think of this advice? Is it sound, or do I need to consult a different priest?
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IMHO, don’t let this bother your conscience too much. If the money was suppose to go to the Church or some other charity, it’d be a different story. But the US Federal Government has used taxpayer money to pay for abortions and birth control, among other things. I am not advocating for people to cheat on their taxes. Everyone should obey the law. However, the facts are: (1) your parents did this (you did not) and (2) the money the government spends does go to fund EVIL acts.

I am in agreement with the priest’s advice. Whatever that is worth…

From the CCC:

2406 Political Authority has the right and duty to regulate exercise of the right to ownership for the sake of the common good.

The gov’t does have that right, and does do society good. At the same time, the gov’t does things contrary to the common good. And our money funds it.


#3

[quote=Hildebrand]IMHO, don’t let this bother your conscience too much. If the money was suppose to go to the Church or some other charity, it’d be a different story. But the US Federal Government has used taxpayer money to pay for abortions and birth control, among other things. I am not advocating for people to cheat on their taxes. Everyone should obey the law. However, the facts are: (1) your parents did this (you did not) and (2) the money the government spends does go to fund EVIL acts.

I am in agreement with the priest’s advice. Whatever that is worth…

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Dead on. The priest did well. After all, no one can deny that much of Govt. spending (your parents money) is toward charitable acts.
If your conscience bothers you, just make sure you do not use it (ultimately) for personal benefit. Like he said, eventually, return it through a charitable act to another. That way it becomes only a loan for your descretion in providing for the welfare of another. to exhaust that loan.
Or you can send it to me, and I’ll see to it that it is charitably spent…pronto. Otherwise I have NO doubt that when the time comes, God will give you the opportunity, and the grace to recognize it. It always happens.


#4

Hello kyrieleison,

If I were you I would try to figure out how much of the money given to you was compiled from illegal tax evasion and send that amout, pluse ten of twenty percent to be on the safe side, to the IRS.

I always get a kick out of these religious guys condemning the US. When the Pope wanted third world debt forgiven to help the poor he did not go to Catholics and ask them to pay off third world debt, he went to the world bank and asked them to forgive third world debt. When bishops want the poor cared for in their community they do not mess around demanding that parisioners tithe or give greater donations to God, they go to the United States government and ask for more money be spent on the poor. The US spends hundreds of billions or trillions on foreign aid and national welfare. Usually when I see Catholic charities talk numbers it is tens of millions that they spend helping the poor.

Statistically you have a far greater chance of helping the poor if you are an American tax payer than you will ever have as a Catholic donator. Don’t cheat the American government, many poor people in our country and around the world rely on America. Who else are you going to get to help the poor?

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com


#5

Thank you for your advice. The only thing I’ll add is that the tax evasion was done with my awareness, consent, and minor participation. Would this change your advice?


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[quote=kyrieleison]Thank you for your advice. The only thing I’ll add is that the tax evasion was done with my awareness, consent, and minor participation. Would this change your advice?
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Hello kyrieleison,

I personally would say that if you were a child, under some obligation to obey your parents from the fourth commandment, simply making restitution to the IRS without going into detail, which could send you to prison, is sufficient.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com


#7

[quote=kyrieleison]Thank you for your advice. The only thing I’ll add is that the tax evasion was done with my awareness, consent, and minor participation. Would this change your advice?
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That does change it. I would withdraw my statements and refer you to a holy priest or to wiser person on this forum.


#8

Thank you kindly. :wink:

What say you about the following:

The US STOLE land from the American Indians. Are we suppose to return much of the US back to them?

The original White House and many other state buildings were built on SLAVE labor, should the gov’t (federal and state) find the descendents of those slaves and pay them for their ancestors’ work?

Much of the South’s agrarian economy was built on slave labor. What happened to the 50 acres and a mule PROMISED to freed slaves? Do you think we should give all the descendants of slaves the property PROMISED to their great-great grandparents?

There are millions of people today whose wealth has been enhanced because their great-great grandparents were slave owners. So we should find the descendants of slaves and force the descendents of slave owners to pay them the wages their great-great grandparents never received.

This could go on and on and on…

All the above does not matter in this case because the poster was partly complicit in the actions of his parents, therefore culpable. I did not know that in my first post.


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[quote=kyrieleison]I am in a difficult situation. When I was younger, my parent used me to cheat on his taxes. I now have a bank account, which only I can access, that contains some of the money that is the result of my parent’s dishonesty. I asked a priest about this situation, and he told me to use the money for my education on the condition that I will help another person go to college when I grow up. What do you think of this advice? Is it sound, or do I need to consult a different priest?
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Hi, Kyrieleson, Personally I think this was not good advice. Two wrongs dont make a right. You are dealing with stolen property. It belongs to the IRS. Thats where it should go. Not your education. I would contact the IRS and ask how you can settle this issue. If your parents stole and you participate in it you are as guilty as them. Let your holy conscience be your guide. God Bless


#10

Because of legal issues that could effect you and your parents, I would NOT contact the IRS directly. Contact a lawyer who deals with settlements with the IRS. They can help you resolve this without getting into possible legal ramifications that could happen by contacting the IRS directly.

No good deed goes unpunished. I think this is the IRS motto. Protect yourself as you try to do the right thing.

God Bless,
Maria


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[quote=Hildebrand]Thank you kindly. :wink:

What say you about the following:

The US STOLE land from the American Indians. Are we suppose to return much of the US back to them?

The original White House and many other state buildings were built on SLAVE labor, should the gov’t (federal and state) find the descendents of those slaves and pay them for their ancestors’ work?

Much of the South’s agrarian economy was built on slave labor. What happened to the 50 acres and a mule PROMISED to freed slaves? Do you think we should give all the descendants of slaves the property PROMISED to their great-great grandparents?

There are millions of people today whose wealth has been enhanced because their great-great grandparents were slave owners. So we should find the descendants of slaves and force the descendents of slave owners to pay them the wages their great-great grandparents never received.

This could go on and on and on…

All the above does not matter in this case because the poster was partly complicit in the actions of his parents, therefore culpable. I did not know that in my first post.
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Hello Hildebrand,

Recently the Vatican asked Condolisa Rice to get the American justice system off the Vatican’s back. The Vatican does not want to go to court, to see if the Pope or the Vatican, bears part of the guilt in the Clergy child abuse issue. Condolisa Rice assured the Vatican that they had diplomatic imunity and the Vatican would not be held responsible for any harm they may have done or have to devouge any information of guilt in the clergy child abuse issue. The Vatican clearly does not want to pay restitution to anyone their actions may have harmed.

America has never hid or used any form of government diplomatic immunity to hide any wrong doing we may have done.

The Catholic Church, like America, has done evil in the past.

For over a thousand years the church had been the biggest landlord in Italy. Under a good administrator like Gregory the Great, lands were well managed and the peasants cared for. Under other Popes, conditions were sometimes different. With the land came oppression of the peasants, abuse of power (prisons in the Papal States held thousands of political prisoners), and an unhealthy meddling by the church in Italian politics. Popes like Julius II are remembered as warriors rather than as pastors. Others, like Pius IX faced serious dilemmas brought on by their ownership of lands: should they exercise military force against other Catholics?

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The American Indians fought and killed other Indians to take land. There were Africans who captured Aftricans to sell to European slave traders. There is plenty of guilt to go around to every nation and peoples on earth.

Human history, the Catholic Church and governments, have done many evil things. To go back thousands of years or even hundreds of years to correct all wrongs through out the world is going to cause a great deal of litigation and hatred. Many people like you, just want to focus on the big dog (America) when they want to look for guilt. This is unfair. Let us take a look at Germany, France, England, the Church, Gingus Cong and those guys.

Until America became the Super Power of the world, there was no sence of world justice. From the begining of time, the rule of the world was who ever had the strongest armies took what ever land they could. Now that America is has the strongest armies this is no longer the case. There is now justice in the world. Let us be glad for this.

If you want to judge the world of yesterday by the justice that American has established today, then let us take a look at all the evil that has been done by all the nations, including the Catholic Church, over the past centuries. Better yet let us rid our world of diplomatic imunity and let modern justice examine the Vaticans role in Clergy child abuse and possible need for the Vatican to pay restitution to child victims they may have had a hand in harming.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com


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