Is this hearsay?


#1

Satan had pointed to Adam’s sin as proof that God’s law was unjust, and could not be obeyed. In our humanity, Christ was to redeem Adam’s failure. But when Adam was assailed by the tempter, none of the effects of sin were upon him. He stood in the strength of perfect manhood, possessing the full vigor of mind and body. He was surrounded with the glories of Eden, and was in daily communion with heavenly beings. It was not thus with Jesus when He entered the wilderness to cope with Satan. **For four thousand years the race had been decreasing in physical strength, in mental power, and in moral worth; and Christ took upon Him the infirmities of degenerate humanity. Only thus could He rescue man from the lowest depths of his degradation. **
Many claim that it was impossible for Christ to be overcome by temptation. Then He could not have been placed in Adam’s position; He could not have gained the victory that Adam failed to gain. If we have in any sense a more trying conflict than had Christ, then He would not be able to succor us. But our Saviour took humanity, with all its liabilities. He took the nature of man, with the possibility of yielding to temptation. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured.

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Christ’s life of humiliation should be a lesson to all who desire to exalt themselves above their fellow men. Though he had no taint of sin upon his character, yet he condescended to connect our fallen human nature with his divinity. By thus taking humanity, he honored humanity. Having taken our fallen nature, he showed what it might become, by accepting the ample provision he has made for it, and by becoming partaker of the divine nature. {PH080 13.1}
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**Clad in the vestments of humanity, the Son of God came down to the level of those He wished to save. In Him was no guile or sinfulness; He was ever pure and undefiled; **yet He took upon Him our sinful nature. Clothing His divinity with humanity, that He might associate with fallen humanity, He sought to regain for man that which by disobedience Adam had lost, for himself and for the world. In His own character Jesus manifested to the world the character of God; He pleased not Himself, but went about doing good. His whole history, for more than thirty years, was one of pure, disinterested benevolence. {ST, July 30, 1902 par. 1}

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#2

Touched With Our Feelings: A Historical Survey of Adventist Thought on the Human Nature of Christ
J. R. Zurcher

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Just how much was Jesus like us when He was here on earth?

**In the early years of the Adventist Church many of the leaders believed Christ was not eternal, but had a beginning in time. By the 1890s the church was moving toward a more orthodox position. Another belief long held by church leaders is that Christ was born with a fallen nature. This view also began to change in the 1950s toward the position that Christ was born with physical degeneracy but not the propensities to sin that all other human beings are born with. **

In Touched With Our Feelings author J. R. Zurcher explores evidence from Scripture and Adventist history to support a return to the traditional view that Jesus took the nature of Adam after the Fall.

In this study on the nature of man, Zurcher examines the biblical doctrine of Christ’s human nature. Carefully tracing the development of the doctrine of Christ within the Adventist Church, Zurcher maintains that the glory of our Saviour’s successful mission to this world is enhanced, not diminished, but the fact that He triumphed in spite of taking all the liabilities of “sinful flesh.”

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#3

God does not give us commands that we can not follow. He gives us free will to make the choice to embrace him or defy him.

Satan can say what he wants to say. He is not a credible source of information as the Father of lies. His assesment of Adam is lacking logic.

So, I guess that is my 2 cents just from reading your first few paragraphs here.


#4

Hi Damascus, I am hoping some Seventh Day Adventist can explain this all to us.


#5

Sorry Brother!

I guess Its so beyond reason that I did not recognize where one could use Faith and reason together to qualify that. But, as you say it needs clarity from a person who sees faith as not needing reason to be a part of it in order to understand it.


#6

Luke 1:35

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Hebrews 7:26

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

1 Peter 1:19

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

a sin nature would be a serious blemish or spot. We are told that Jesus is holy, harmless, undefiled, seperate from sinners. And, even when he was a babe in the womb we are told that he is Holy.


#7

Are you asking if this is ‘hearsay’? Apparently not, if you are giving a citation for the claim.

Or are you asking if this is ‘heresy’? A very different thing;) .


#8

ok right, I meant heresy or false doctrine?


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