Islamic leader: Judaism and Christianity also have sparked violence [CC]

#21

You have said Muslims kill Jews and Christians. You did not say Radical Islamic Muslims kill Jews and Christians. You stereotype the whole Muslim Religion as killers of Jews and
Christians. Do you hear Pope Francis talking like that or any Pope for that matter in degrading a Religion as killers.

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#22

I am going to quote myself. You tell me if I am referring to the religious system of Islam or if I am referring to the individual people who are Muslims.

In the doctrine of Islam, all governments that do not rule by Shariah law are invalid. All people who are not Muslim are damned. And when the Muslims are in a position of power or authority, they are REQUIRED by their faith to wage Jihad on the non-Muslim world, either converting it by coercion, violence, and rape, or killing those who do not submit.

The context of what I am saying is very clear, and I object to your twisting of my words. I cannot pass judgement on any individual person without knowing their actions.

For those Muslims who thankfully choose to not be terrorists, oppress others or enforce Sharia law on the rest of the world, I say: “Thank you for not practicing your religion.”

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#23

We do know they degrade women as a religion. Some are even forced to dress from head to toe in that burka thing for some weird reason. That’s just for starters. This is not a nice religion, imo

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#24

Christian head covering is the veiling of the head by women in a variety of Christian traditions. Some cover only in public worship,[1] while others believe they should cover their heads all the time.[2] The biblical basis for head coverings is found in 1 Corinthians 11:2–16.[3] Although the head covering was practiced by most Christian women until the latter part of the 20th century,[4] it is now a minority practice among contemporary Christians in the West.

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#25

But they are practicing their Religion just not the way you think they are.

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#26

I was at Disney world 2 years ago…it was high heat and humidity in May and I saw one with the full garb…all in black head to toe. Black absorbs heat…at least let them choose a pretty color.

They also are required male relative escorts and in Saudi Arabia are NOT allowed very many rights…rights we take for granted here in the United States.

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#27

[quote=]“Judaism and Christianity have a history of violence,” said Sheikh Ahmed al Tayyab, the host of the conference held in Cairo. He mentioned the Crusades and, more recently, the bloodshed in the Balkans.

The Islamic official said that all religious leaders must join together to denounce the forms of extremism that exploit religious beliefs to encourage violence. “If peace is not achieved between those who preach it, it cannot even be transmitted to other individuals,” he said.
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I agree with this Sheikh Ahmed al Tayyab.

Judaism and Christianity have a history of violence. Yes, for these two religion, violence was history.

Let us look at the present violence – nearly everyday we are faced, forced into our news channels, with news of violence. The list of those violence groups and organisations are all there for the Sheikh to see.

I guess there is a lot for the Sheikh to denounce from his side of the fence.

But the real question: can he do it without saying that the Muslims who committed those violence were wrong and why they were wrong?

I want to hear that from him, ala Pope Francis when he disagreed with what the Western government were doing.

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#28

I have no problem with veiling. All the women in my family do at Mass. I think the burka thing is a bit much

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#29

You are ignorant of what the Islamic faith is and what its doctrines teach. I do not say this with any intention of degrading or attacking you personally; I am merely trying to be very clear (and in this case, I am doing it bluntly).

The Islamic religion is very clear. And it is not just a religion, it is a system of government and a way of life.

It is ridiculous to try to equate Islam with Catholicism; Catholicism does not require that its followers comply with a specific system of government, nor does Catholicism require its followers to perpetuate violence upon other people to convert them, as Islam does with its “Jihad”.

There are always cases where people who were Christians or Jews committed evil acts or acts of violence: but the key difference between them and Muslims in Jihad is that the Christians or Jews committing evil cannot legitimately claim to do so in the name of their religion, whereas Muslims can: it’s called Jihad.

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#30

Exactly.

I have never read in the Judaic and Christian scripture that all races in the Judaic/Christian end times who refuse to convert to those religions will be put to the sword.

I also never read anywhere in those two religious texts that at the end of times even the trees and stones will point out to the holy troops, “Here behind me is a Jew hiding. Kill him.”:rolleyes:

Christian texts also do not declare that Christ will come down at the end of Islamic end times in the Mount Of Olives and declare to non-Muslims----“My teachings were false. Here is the truth-----from the Mahdi, the Islamic Messiah. Let’s follow him and put to the sword all infidels and Jews,” like it says in the Koran and hadiths. :eek:

More garbage and waste from the “Religion Of Peace.” :mad::mad:

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#31

True. They could be raped if they go out unescorted as if they are game. That is how they live in Sharia rule. Of course, there are more to it, some of which may shock many posters here. Adultery is punishable by death; the method of execution is by stoning.

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#32

You also forget that Islam is basically geared towards submission and slavery to Allah, which is WAY different from the relationship between Creator and Mankind that we find in the Jewish and Christian writings. :o:o

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#33

And at the end times, paying taxes will be null and void. It will instead be simply “Convert or Die.”

Read Robert Spencer’s website. He happens to to be a Melkite Catholic like me.

It will be an-eye-opening experience.

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#34

Robert Spencer is fantastic. I’m a fan. :slight_smile:

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#35

There is Radical Islam, the ones who silently embrace it, and then the ones who go on with their lives but who will by ISLAMIC LAW be forced to participate in the extermination of non-believers at the end of days. Read the Koran and then some of the hadiths.

That’s the problem.

People trust other Muslims to describe their teachings to us.

Forgetting the fact that they have a little thing called takiya, which allows them to lie about their religion to Non-Muslims in order to save or protect their lives.

Just saying.

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#36

Another news from ***Agenzia Fides.


[quote=]AFRICA/EGYPT - **After the jihadist threat, two Coptic Christians killed in Sinai
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Two Coptic Christians were found murdered on Wednesday, February 22 in North Sinai peninsula, after a video message announcing new attacks presumably by Jihadists against the Christian community had been spread in past days on the network and claimed the massacre of Christians on December 11 in Botrosiya church, in the complex of church buildings adjacent to the Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in Cairo, which had caused the death of 29 people.
[/quote]

fides.org/en/news/61794#.WLjC_9KGOM8

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#37

Taqiyya is a form of Islamic deception. The Quran (16:106 and 3:28) allows Muslims to lie in order to protect themselves or to protect the Muslim community

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#38

PassingSoul, at the very least they turn their heads to what some of the their brethren are doing in Islamic countries and even non-Islamic countries.

I am not saying there are no non-practicing or “secular” Muslims which decry what others in their religion do.

But as famous Coptic Orthodox priest (and converter to Christianity of many Muslims) Father Zacharias said to Michael Coren some years ago, when Coren insisted there were many Muslims who were not radical or anti-west:

“TRUE Muslims are NOT like that.”

I will take his expert word, as someone who lives under Muslim oppression most of his life (he now lives in Canada) and whose own brother was killed by Muslims.

I’ll take his words over those of naïve idealists like Karen Armstrong.

That’s all.

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#39

And which also allows them to lie or obfuscate the teaching of their own Quran.

There are many instances (too many for me to enumerate here) of Imans and others saying one thing over here in English about Islam and the Quran, and of them saying totally different things in their home countries in their own language.

They do it all the time. :blush::shrug:

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#40

PassingSoul, at the very least they turn their heads to what some of the their brethren are doing in Islamic countries and even non-Islamic countries.

I am not saying there are no non-practicing or “secular” Muslims which decry what others in their religion do.

But as famous Coptic Orthodox priest (and converter to Christianity of many Muslims) Father Zacharias said to Michael Coren some years ago, when Coren insisted there were many Muslims who were not radical or anti-west:

“TRUE Muslims are NOT like that.”

I will take his expert word, as someone who lived under Muslim oppression most of his life (he now lives in Canada) and whose own brother was killed by Muslims.

I’ll take his words over those of naïve idealists like Karen Armstrong.

That’s all.

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