Israel marks fourth anniversary Gilad Shalit capture

Please pray for the release of this young man and his safe return to his family. What he has suffered over the last four years, held captive and cut off from any contact with his family or even the International Red Cross, doesn't bear thinking about.

Sgt Shalit was captured in a raid into Israel by militants in 2006 exactly four years ago.

He is being held in Gaza, and has had little contact since then with the outside world.

Apart from one audio recording and a video tape, which appeared to show him in relatively good health, there has been little contact with the soldier.

Militants from Hamas, the Palestinian organisation which controls Gaza, have also refused the International Red Cross access to Gilad Shalit - a stance that has been widely criticised in Israel and beyond.

Talks to free the soldier in return for a number of Palestinian prisoners broke down last year.

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it is hard to believe that it has been 4 years since he was captured.

i pray that his guardian angels will watch over him and he will return safely to his family soon.

And pray for the release of some 9,000 Palestinians being illegally imprisoned in Israeli jails where torture is frequent and many are being held without charges or family visits.

[quote="Kadaveri, post:3, topic:203228"]
And pray for the release of some 9,000 Palestinians being illegally imprisoned in Israeli jails where torture is frequent and many are being held without charges or family visits.

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how are they illegally imprisoned? how do you know that they are being held without charges?

[quote="7_Sorrows, post:4, topic:203228"]
how are they illegally imprisoned? how do you know that they are being held without charges?

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A Palestinian detainee can be interrogated for a total period of 180 days, during which he/she can also be denied lawyer visits for a period of 90 days. During the interrogation period, a detainee is often subjected to some form of torture ranging in extremity, whether physical or psychological. The use of practices that constitute torture during interrogation has been legalized within the Israeli judicial system and permitted in individual cases in which the GSS deems a detainee a threat to state security or a ‘ticking bomb’. In some instances, detainees have died while in custody as a result of torture. Confessions extracted through torture are admissible in Israeli court.
Administrative Detention
Administrative detention, which is arrest without charge or trial, has been used as a form of collective punishment by the Israeli military against Palestinians, and is illegal in this form under international law. During the period of March 2002 to October 2002, Israeli occupying forces arrested over 15,000 Palestinians during mass arrest campaigns, rounding up males in cities and villages between the ages of 15 to 45. In October 2002, there were over 1,050 Palestinians in administrative detention.

Administrative detention is indefinitely renewable under military regulations. A detainee may be given an administrative detention order for a period of between 1 – 6 months, after which the order may be renewed. Administrative detention is based on secret evidence brought forward during military tribunals, to which neither the detainee nor his/her lawyer have access to.** One of the longest Palestinian administrative detainees remained in custody for over 8 years, without ever being charged.**Children
Under military regulations in force in the OPT, a child over the age of 16 is considered an adult, contrary to the defined age of a child as under 18 in the Convention of the Rights of the Child, to which Israel is a signatory. In practice, Palestinian children may be charged and sentenced in military courts beginning at the age of 12.

•Between the ages of 12-14, children can be sentenced for offences for a period of up to six months – meaning that a child accused of throwing a stone can be sent to prison for six months;
•After the age of 14, Palestinian children are tried as adults, in violation of international law;
There are no juvenile courts and children are often held and serve their sentences in cells with criminal prisoners and are often not separated from adults, also in violation of international law.

ifamericansknew.org/stats/pal-prisoners.html

Israels flagrant abuse of international law is astounding.

Another "tu quoque" argument from guy on the street, from yet another unbiased source.

Another sweeping defensse by Kadaveri "Muslims do NO wrong. Ever".

Israel's Supreme Court banned torture in 1999, and it is NOT admissable as evidence.

btselem.org/english/Torture/HCJ_Ruling.asp

Only 264 Palestinan Arabs are under "administrative detention". The other 6,736 have had, or are awaiting trial (which are public).

The main conclusion of this report – "Accountability Denied: The Absence of Investigation and Punishment of Torture in Israel" – is that Israel has no genuine investigation mechanism for complaints of torture. This results in absolute criminal immunity for interrogators who commit grave crimes. In practice the system enjoys the acquiescence and encouragement of the law enforcement system for torture that occurs in GSS interrogations. Among other things, complaints are checked by an active GSS agent who is the official in charge of checking interrogee complaints. His recommendations not to open a criminal investigation are universally accepted by the high ranking attorney in charge in the Ministry of Justice and by the Attorney General. In practice, this means that the Attorney General and his assistants provide sweeping approval to use torture in Israel.

stoptorture.org.il/en/node/1520

Israel continues to torture and mistreat innocent Palestinians and continues to flout international law.

The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) believes that torture and illtreatment
of any kind, under any circumstances, is incompatible with moral values,
democratic standards, and the rule of law. PCATI was founded in 1990 in response to
government policy that enabled systematic use of torture and ill-treatment during GSS
interrogations.
In September 1999, following petitions filed by PCATI and other human rights
organizations, the High Court of Justice ruled to prohibit some interrogation methods
that had been employed at the time and which clearly constituted torture and ill
treatment. This ruling was a significant advance, although it left an opening for the
use of torture and ill-treatment in Israel. PCATI works towards the protection of
detainees’ and prisoners’ rights, and the implementation of an absolute prohibition
against torture.
PCATI’s work has been made possible

Catholics and all Christians and all peoples interested in justice for all, not just the few, need to let Israel know their human rights abuses wont be tolerated.

[quote="Guyonthestreet, post:8, topic:203228"]
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Unless you want to comment on the Shalit detention (the original topic of this thread), just start you own thread, and quit hijacking this one.

[quote="scipio337, post:9, topic:203228"]
Unless you want to comment on the Shalit detention (the original topic of this thread), just start you own thread, and quit hijacking this one.

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thank you for clearing that up! :thumbsup:

[quote="scipio337, post:7, topic:203228"]
Another sweeping defensse by Kadaveri "Muslims do NO wrong. Ever".

Israel's Supreme Court banned torture in 1999, and it is NOT admissable as evidence.

btselem.org/english/Torture/HCJ_Ruling.asp

Only 264 Palestinan Arabs are under "administrative detention". The other 6,736 have had, or are awaiting trial (which are public).

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That's not what I said at all. My only point is that it's wrong to give so much attention to the plight of one captured Israeli soldier, while totally ignoring the plight of thousands of Palestinians imprisoned by Israel who that soldier was captured to win the freedom of.

If you had read your link you'd see the Israeli High Court did not ban torture in 1999. What it did was issue an ambiguous ruling saying that "the ISA does not have legal authority to use physical means of interrogation that are not "reasonable and fair", but interrogators who used "physical pressure" can avoid criminal responsibility if it is subsequently found that they acted "in the proper circumstances." * B'Tselem reports the practical effects of this ruling were not an end to torture in Israel, but rather *"The High Court aggravated matters by failing to carefully delineate those "proper circumstances" in which the necessity defense is available, leaving an opening for broad interpretation by the ISA and its legal advisors, and for the slippery slope leading to an increase in torture and ill-treatment."

B'Tselem published a full report the next year critiquing the High Court's decision allowing torture in 'ticking bomb cases'.

All of B'Tselem's publications on the topic since (see this extensive report from 2007) stress that torture continues in Israel regardless, just like the Amnesty International report I quoted from earlier in the thread. I can show you many other human rights groups' reports on this topic also, and there's no disagreement between any of them that Israel regularly tortures and ill-treats Palestinians who are imprisoned in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

I hope there will soon be a prisoner exchange releasing the Israeli soldier in return for a large number of Palestinian prisoners. It seems inevitable that this will eventually happen it's probably just a matter of when the pressure from the Israeli public to do so becomes too much for their government to bear, so they might as well just do it now.

[quote="scipio337, post:7, topic:203228"]
Another sweeping defensse by Kadaveri "Muslims do NO wrong. Ever".

Israel's Supreme Court banned torture in 1999, and it is NOT admissable as evidence.

btselem.org/english/Torture/HCJ_Ruling.asp

Only 264 Palestinan Arabs are under "administrative detention". The other 6,736 have had, or are awaiting trial (which are public).

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That's not what I said at all. My only point is that it's wrong to give so much attention to the plight of one captured Israeli soldier, while totally ignoring the plight of thousands of Palestinians imprisoned by Israel who that soldier was captured to win the freedom of.

If you had read your link you'd see the Israeli High Court did not ban torture in 1999. What it did was issue an ambiguous ruling saying that "the ISA does not have legal authority to use physical means of interrogation that are not "reasonable and fair", but interrogators who used "physical pressure" can avoid criminal responsibility if it is subsequently found that they acted "in the proper circumstances." * B'Tselem reports the practical effects of this ruling were not an end to torture in Israel, but rather *"The High Court aggravated matters by failing to carefully delineate those "proper circumstances" in which the necessity defense is available, leaving an opening for broad interpretation by the ISA and its legal advisors, and for the slippery slope leading to an increase in torture and ill-treatment."

B'Tselem published a full report the next year critiquing the High Court's decision allowing torture in 'ticking bomb cases'.

All of B'Tselem's publications on the topic since (see this extensive report from 2007) stress that torture continues in Israel regardless of the High Court's ruling, just like the Amnesty International report from September 2008 I quoted from earlier in the thread. I can show you many other human rights groups' reports on this topic also, and there's no disagreement between any of them that Israel regularly tortures and ill-treats Palestinians who are imprisoned in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

I hope there will soon be a prisoner exchange releasing the Israeli soldier in return for a large number of Palestinian prisoners. It seems inevitable that this will eventually happen it's probably just a matter of when the pressure from the Israeli public to do so becomes too much for their government to bear, so they might as well just do it now.

[quote="scipio337, post:9, topic:203228"]
Unless you want to comment on the Shalit detention (the original topic of this thread), just start you own thread, and quit hijacking this one.

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Completely relevant and on topic.

The OP stresses what the person might be going through, cut off from family and friends and not allowed visits from the IRC and calls for prayers.

I widen that call for prayers to include the thousands upon thousands on innocent palestinians that Israel is treating in the exact same manner and worse.

[quote="Guyonthestreet, post:13, topic:203228"]
Completely relevant and on topic.

The OP stresses what the person might be going through, cut off from family and friends and not allowed visits from the IRC and calls for prayers.

I widen that call for prayers to include the thousands upon thousands on innocent palestinians that Israel is treating in the exact same manner and worse.

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Do you have anthing to say about Shalit?

Then start your own thread. It's just that simple.

NOTICE

Please stay on the topic of the original post which is about Gilad Shalit

What more is there to say on Gilad Shalit? We're all aware that he's a captured Israeli soldier being held in Gaza as a bargaining chip for an eventual prisoner exchange. Excluding the very relevant plight of the Palestinian prisoners in Israel from the discussion leaves very little to talk about and cuts out the fundamental issue (the whole point of holding Shalit afterall is get a substantial number of Palestinians released in return for him).

[quote="scipio337, post:14, topic:203228"]
Do you have anthing to say about Shalit?

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His family have learned essential lessons from the heroic peace activists and martyrs

"The Shalit family and the supporters have learned from the organizers of the flotilla that if you want to get anything done you have to pressure the Israeli government and create a major PR event to deliver your message,'' says Meir Javedanfar, a Middle East expert based in Tel Aviv. "This is why they are raising the pressure.''

csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0628/In-Israel-Gilad-Shalit-s-family-launches-12-day-march-to-Netanyahu-s-door

I hope they are successful in forcing the Israeli government to do what is right, just and moral and make the necessary concessions to ensure the release of their son.

Why does Hamas continue its flagrant violation of international law?

The prisoners Hamas wants released:

Egyptian-brokered negotiations over a deal for the release of abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit hit an impasse this weekend after Israel refused to free all 450 long-serving Palestinian prisoners sought by Hamas.

Negotiator Ofer Dekel told cabinet members on Tuesday that Israel has agreed to release about 325 prisoners on the list, 144 of whom would be sent abroad or to the Gaza Strip. The others would be allowed to return to their homes.

The cabinet decided after a special three-hour briefing on the negotiations Tuesday to publicize the list of Palestinian prisoners Hamas has demanded be freed.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert had balked at releasing those who orchestrated the deadliest bus and cafe bombings that have killed scores of Israelis since the outbreak of a Palestinian uprising in 2000, political sources said.

The cabinet decided after a special three-hour briefing on the negotiations Tuesday to publicize the list of Palestinian prisoners Hamas has demanded be freed.

The list includes hundreds of prisoners with "blood on their hands," including terrorists sentenced to multiple life terms.

Partial list of prisoners Israel refuses to free:

Ibrahim Hamed Head of the Hamas military wing in the West Bank city of Ramallah. He was charged with planning terror attacks in which 36 Israelis were murdered, including the attacks on the Cafe Moment and Hebrew University cafeteria, both in Jerusalem.

His trial is ongoing.

Hassan SalamaHead of Hamas' Jerusalem branch, responsible for two suicide bombings on the city's No. 18 bus in 1996 and for a suicide bombing in Ashkelon the same year.

He was arrested following the attacks and sentenced to 49 life sentences.

Abdullah BarghoutiSenior bombmaker for Hamas' military wing in the West Bank. He was convicted of planning terror attacks in which 66 Israelis were murdered and hundreds hurt, including the attack on a Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem.

He was sentenced to 67 life terms in 2003.

Abbas Sayid Head of the Hamas military wing in Tul Karm. He was convicted of planning terror attacks in which 35 Israelis were murdered and hundreds hurt, including the attack on the Park Hotel in Netanya in 2002.

Sayid was sentenced to 35 life terms in 2006.

Mahand SharimSayed's deputy, involved in planning the suicide attack on the Park Hotel in Netanya in 2002.

Ra'ad HutriOne of the masterminds of the attack on the Dolphinarium in Tel Aviv, which killed 22 young Israelis. He was also involved in suicide attacks in Neve Yamin and at the Bar Ilan Bridge.

Jamal Abu al-HaigaHamas' leader in Jenin, sentenced to nine life terms for his involvement in suicide bombings at the Hadera Mall, at the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem. He also planned a number of other attacks from his home in Jenin.

Muath BilalSentenced to 26 life sentences for the deaths of 26 Israelis. He was involved in suicide bombings at the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem and on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall in 1997.

Bahij BadrResponsible for the death of 18 Israelis in suicide bombing in Tzrifin, at the Hillel Cafe in Jerusalem and in south Tel Aviv.

Partial list of prisoners Israel is willing to free into exile

Saeed BadarnaGiven life sentence for involvement in suicide bombing at Hadera Central Bus Station, in which five Israelis were killed. He was also involved in shooting and bombing attacks across the West Bank.

Abed al-Latif ShakirFatah militant, over 50 years old, given life sentence for his involvement in the murder of Israeli Defense Forces soldier Akiva Shaltiel in 1995 and for planting an explosive device at a cinema in Tel Aviv in 1986.

Nasser NazlHamas militant who sent a suicide bomber to the Bar Ilan Bridge, killing one Israeli.

Zeir al-KilaniGiven life sentence for planting explosives on Allenby Street and at the Dolphinarium Beach in Tel Aviv. He was also responsible for detonating a bomb inside a taxi at the Ben-Ami Junction, killing one Israeli.

Mohammed al-KarmHamas militant sentenced to 15 life terms for his role as mastermind of a suicide bombing on a Haifa bus in 2001, in which 15 Israelis died.

Walid al-NajsGiven 26 life terms for involvement in planning suicide bombings and for deploying the explosives used in attempted attacks in central Israel.

Ibramim ShmasanaParticipated in the murders of the youths Ronen Karmani and Lior Tovol in 1990, and in the murder of taxi driver Rafi Doron in the same year.

Iad ShladalaHamas activist who killed Sasson Nuriel following his kidnap in 2005

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haaretz.com/news/who-are-the-deadly-terrorists-israel-refuses-to-release-for-shalit-1.272300

Did Shalit have a public trial?

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