Jamaican Gangs Use Guns Smuggled from US

KINGSTON, Jamaica – Ships from Miami steam into Jamaica’s main harbor loaded with TV sets and blue jeans. But some of the most popular U.S. imports never appear on the manifests: handguns, rifles and bullets that stoke one of the world’s highest murder rates.

The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.


I guess this is US payback for the drugs.

Evolution in action. The hopheads here die of overdose and thus fail to breed and produce more idiots, and the Jamaicans and Mexicans kill each other with arms from the US, and thus fail to breed and produce more criminals.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

The problem is that many of them have children – left behind for our society to rear. The successes are costly and the failures are our next generation of criminals. So, is this still ‘win-win’?

Sure. Process the children into Soylent Green, and you solve both the food shortage problem and the overpopulation problem in one fell swoop.

Any other pressing social matters you need me to solve? :wink:

Would you feel better if they came from Mexico?

Well, the Afghans and the Mexicans say that our drug problems should be handled in the US but we insist they stop shipping drugs to this country. On the aspect of our guns being illegally shipped to other countries, how should places like Jamaica react?

(What happened to “Gun Court” in Jamaica?)
Where else would guns be smuggled from anyway? Who manufactures guns closer to the West Indies than America?

Something is wrong who those stats, 80 percent of the guns in America don’t orginate in the US.:shrug: Many of the most popular firearms in America come from Brazil, Bulgium, Cech Republic,Croatia and China. Not necessary in that order.

The highest murder rates in the world are in countries which do not allow the average citizen to own guns. If those that are inclined to murder can’t get a gun they will use kitchen knives, machettes or, hammers. while the law abiding citizen is defensless and thus an easy target to any thug that is inclined to do them harm. And the intent in most countries to disarm their citizens is to control them for the biggest thugs are usually members of an unjust government.

By arresting those that use the weapons?

Some of the highest murder rates in the US are in areas that prohibit firearms or seriously limit ownership/accessibility.

Which gangs are the using the American Guns? The legal ones or the illegal ones?

“The police kick weh him foot and shoot him when him deh pon the ground.”

Delroy Chuck explained:
The invidiously high level of police killings continue to attract the attention of international human rights organizations…The records actually show that almost three citizens are killed by the police weekly. [These killings are] a major cause of protest and demonstrations from residents and eyewitnesses who allege police brutality, gross injustice and blatant criminality.
The problem is long-standing, and is aggravated by Jamaica’s gun prohibition laws. The human-rights group Americas Watch analyzed Jamaican homicides in the early 1980s. About a third of homicides in those years were committed by the police. Indeed, in some years the rate of Jamaicans killed by police was higher than the rate of Americans killed by anyone. Although the police usually reported that the killings took place in a shoot-out with the victims, Americas Watch contends that the police were lying. Many of those killings, the human rights group said, were deliberate killings of personal enemies of particular policemen.
Even the slayings of genuine criminal suspects were often not in shoot-outs. Rather, they were deliberate police executions; innocent bystanders or people mistaken for the criminal suspect were frequently murdered. The public fervor over guns — initiated by the middle-class press and augmented by the government — provided a handy excuse for homicidal police officers. The statement that a victim of police homicide had been killed in a shoot-out was readily accepted without investigation, even when no gun was recovered from the victim.
The excesses of police violence, claimed Americas Watch, drove Jamaica to new heights of violence, because the police example legitimated violence in the eyes of both criminals and ordinary citizens. Bob Marley’s partly autobiographical 1973 song “I Shot the Sheriff” tells the story of a young man on the run. “I shot the sheriff, but I swear it was in self-defense.”
Americans have been brainwashed into believing that their schools are rife with violence. But real violence in Jamaican schools occurs “with regularity” as teens use knives to settle their day-to-day differences, and schools there have been forced to rely increasingly on police and private security guards “to secure their compounds.”
Even those measures and 8-foot walls aren’t enough to keep the violence out. Things have gotten so bad in Jamaican schools that one principal was recently forced to suspend 500 male students at one time for “disciplinary reasons” — like kicking girls to the point where they had to be hospitalized. Now if this was America, the solution — or at least a distraction from the real problems — would be an easy one: more gun laws. But Jamaica played that card out when it replaced an already-restrictive gun licensing system with the Firearms Act and the Gun Court Act of 1974. The Acts provided for gun confiscation, house-to-house searches, incommunicado detention, secret trials, warrantless searches and seizures, and mandatory lifetime prison sentences for the possession of even a single bullet. The main designer of the Gun Court Act was the president of the World Federation for Mental Health, Dr. Michael Beaubrun. He insisted that the Gun Court was a scientifically designed approach to behavioral change.


The commentary is old but is just as true today as then…

There are already several laws that make it illegal for citizens to ship weapons to foreign nations without going through regulations set up by the BATF. Perhaps the Obama justice department should try enforcing those laws?

Remember the NRA said that the guns used by Mexican drug lords were not purchased in the US? What will it say this time?

It doesn’t really matter what the NRA says, if you read the article you will notice that guns are illegal in Jamica yet they have 10 times the murder rate of the US where guns are legal, any moron (including the biggest moron of them all, myself) should see that where people have freedom, including the right to bear arms, they respect life. Of course the educated elites try to convince us morons otherwise. We may be morons but we’re not stupid.

The issue of crime in Jamica is that even the police are corrupt and act like gangsters, and yet people think that banning guns in the US will stop crime in Jamica. It is not America’s fault there is crime in Jamica, except the fact that our celebs which call for gun control are helping to fuel the illegal drug trade both by use and promotion of such use in their self-destructive life styles.

The type of guns that are being used by the Mexican drug lords are not the guns being sold at the local gun shop nor at gun shows. It takes governments (corrupt) the ability to purchase those type of weapons in large amounts. Your average drug lord is not stopping by your local Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shop and/or Sports and Outdoor Academy buying full automatic M 16s, AK 47s, hand granades and clamour mines.

That’s a “solution” that has never worked anywhere before. It doesn’t even work in Mexico, which has gun laws that are far stricter than ours. Mexico generally prohibits civilian possession of firearms or ammunition in calibers commonly used by the Mexican military, such as 9 mm or larger handguns, and .223 and .30-caliber rifles—all of which are widely used by private citizens in the U.S. and other countries around the world. Unauthorized possession of these arms that Mexico treats as “exclusively reserved for the use of the Army, Navy or Air Force” is punishable by up to 15 years’ imprisonment.
These laws are widely ignored. The Geneva-based Small Arms Survey estimates that of the 15 million firearms in Mexico, only about one third are registered (as required by Mexican law). And news reports on drug cartel violence often note the drug lords’ use of grenade launchers and anti-tank rockets—weaponry that isn’t available over the counter anywhere in the U.S., but is reportedly often smuggled from Guatemala. Mexico’s gun laws do not make Mexico safer. Importing Mexico’s gun laws into the United States surely won’t, either.

Nor importing Jamaica’s gun laws.

If you want to stop the violence in Jamaica and Mexico, America needs to quit buying dope and/or get our liberal friends to quit.

Actually the BATF (not the NRA) said the only about 17% of the firearms recovered in Mexico came from the US. The BATF also refused to identify how many of those weapons were shipped to Mexico by the federal government as aid to the Mexican armed forces and law enforcement.

As many of the weapons have been identified as “assault rifles” no new weapons of this type have been manufactured for sale to civilians in the US since 1986. Private citizens that own those assault rifles manufactured before 1986 are subject to special licensing and inspection. Any sale of one of those “class three” weapons is only to other specially licensed citizens and is subject to approval by the BATF. The only “new” assault rifles sold in the US are purchased by the federal government and specially licensed police forces.

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced – and of those, 90 percent – 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover – were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

I think the responsibility for purchasing the drugs in the first place lies with us.Americans are creating the market for illegal drugs by using them.Just say no.Not only are we messing up our citizens with drugs, our drug consumption is fueling criminal activities & violence in other countries.
They smuggle their drugs here, our guns-or someone’s guns- get smuggled there.As long as there is a demand it will continue.Instead of blaming poor countries for the drug trade & all the issues surrounding it we need to look at our own accountability in the matter.:shrug:

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