This question might be a little arrogant, and I’m not trying to make it that way, but people were asking me that with the 8.9 magnitude earthquake, the tsunamis, and the nuclear explosion that all happened, could God be playing a part in this? I mean, is he trying to tell us something? Everytime something major like this happens it makes me wonder.
God created the planet and called it good. We need to subdue the planet by improving our predictive capability and zoning to minimize the human impact of natural events. If I made the planet things would be even worse. The majority of us enter eternal bliss through sister death. pray without ceasing.
Luke 13:1 It was just about this time that some people arrived and told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with that of their sacrifices. At this he said to them,2 'Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than any others, that this should have happened to them?3 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did.4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower at Siloam fell, killing them all? Do you suppose that they were more guilty than all the other people living in Jerusalem?5 They were not, I tell you. No; but…
we must be prepared for we do not know our own tsunami time.
God is all-powerful and all good. It is important for us to understand that nothing happens without God’s allowing it. While God does not do anything that is evil, He allows evil to happen for various reasons, one being that He gives us free will. Sometimes, in order to bring us back to Him, God allows us to experience terrible things. The world, in this case, is being shown the consequences of our sins. We should not judge the Japanese and say that they are somehow more guilty than we are, especially since the world at large is being impacted by these disasters, but should recognize our guilt and turn back to God. When things like this happen, it is a call to repentance and to acknowledge God’s greatness. It is never a call to exalt ourselves and pretend that we are blameless.
I seen someone post this on their status:
"Sept 11 (NY) Jan 11 (Hairi) and March 11 (Japan) …Luke 21:10-11 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdo. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from Heaven. Jesus says for behold I come quickly, so ask yourself are you ready?”
Interesting, my birthday falls on the 11th of a month, got a whole lot of 1’s in there. I hope I have nothing to do with the apocalypse, ha.
In any case, I don’t think that God wants or is placing suffering on earth. What is happening is a natural shift of the earth-explainable through the sciences. This occurs all the time and the earthquakes or tsunamis that have happened recently are no exceptions.
I think it’s how you read into it, do you choose to believe that our loving God would cause such things on earth JUST to send a message? Do you think he would want millions to die so that we must ‘hear’ something? I don’t think so. We should stop being so self-centred. Not everything happens for our sake, things happen because they are following their natural process and in that process, unfortunately, some tragedies occur.
I think that these disasters often point to the oneness of human beings, as something that affects one of us affects us all. We are through these disasters building up a higher proclivity for compassion which I think is the good that comes out of it.
I completely agree with you
I would change this around. Humans are not praying enough.
No, God’s not punishing Japan with that horrific devastation for the sins of the world. He doesn’t do that.
Not to be rude but you honestly sound like those horrific Westboro Baptist people. That’s their line of thinking.
If this were the case, why not China. they are alot more Godless in their policies than Japan. There have been devestations in all areas of the Globe since the fall. The flood in Noahs day, the black plauge which killed millions. It is good however to take note, and pray unceaseingly. We dont know the day nor the hour of our own death. and must always be ready. Peace :signofcross:
‘In fact, my children, it is sin that brings upon us all calamities, all scourges, war, famine, pestilence, earthquakes, fires, frost, hail, storms, – all that afflicts us, all that makes us miserable.’
St. Jean Marie Baptiste Vianney, the Cure of Ars
God made the earth, and the earth does things like this.
I don’t believe it’s punishment from God.
I feel compelled to write this in response to those proclaiming the earthquake in Japan as well as other “natural” disasters as God’s judgement on sin. I ask that you study scripture and our New Covenant with God through Jesus Christ to back these things up. Please open your heart, wipe out “tradition” and let the Holy Spirit Himself, operating from a position of Love guide your heart in these things.
First, I would like us to take a really good look at the New Covenant that God has made with mankind through Jesus Christ’s shed blood for ALL of mankind. Jesus forever changed the way God relates to us. Sure, there are scriptural examples of God’s catastrophic judgment on sin in the Old Covenant (Testament). But God’s greatest act of judgment was when He placed ALL of His wrath for our sins upon Jesus. This forever satisfied God’s wrath. Since that time, God hasn’t been judging our sins but is now in the business of reconciliation. ( 2 Cor. 5:19)
There is a “day of judgment” coming at the end of the age and His wrath is reserved for that time. (Matt 10:15, 11:22, 11:24, 12:36, Mark 6:22, 2Pet. 2:9, 3:7, 1John 4:17, Jude 1:6, 1:14-15) We also see reference to the Judgment Seat of Christ (Rom 14:10, 2Cor. 5:10) and, of course, all the end of the age references to the judgments of Revelation.
Jesus Himself said He was not sent to bring peace on the earth among people. The peace that the angels of Luke 2:13-14 were praising God for was peace BETWEEN God and man. They were announcing the end of God’s war on sin. Peace now reigns between God and man.
Prior to Jesus’ coming, there was wrath from God against mankind for his sins. It wasn’t total wrath. Even in the Old Testament, we see God’s mercy and grace. Yet the Old Testament Law was a ministry of wrath (Rom. 4:15 with 2 Cor. 3:7 and 9), and people’s sins were held against them. But when Jesus came, God quit holding people’s sins against them. In John 12:47 He says “And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
Rom 2:4 says “the GOODNESS of God leads you to repentance”. Its the goodness and the love of God that brings one to the place of wanting a true relationship with Him, not the fear of judgment or hell. As far as God’s correction to believers, 2Timothy 3:16 says that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Cor. 5:19 (AMP) “It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).”
The word “reconciliation” is talking about making peace. God was no longer holding us accountable. Instead, He imputed our sins to Jesus, making Jesus accountable for our sins. Jesus became what we were so we could become what He was—the righteousness of God. Jesus was like a lightning rod that drew all the judgment of God unto Himself. He not only bore our sins; He actually became sin (2 Cor. 5:21 KJV) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
God the Father forsook Jesus so you and I would never be forsaken. All that you and I would have suffered, through billions of years in eternity—the grief, the pain and, worst of all, the complete separation from the presence of God—Jesus experienced. And He experienced all of this for us. When we say God is judging our sins as individuals or corporately as a nation, we are voiding what Jesus did. That would be “double jeopardy.” I personally believe this doctrine to be an offense to the Cross of Christ.
We live in a corrupted world where bad things happen, but God isn’t the cause of them. If He were, why would He stop at New Orleans or Haiti or Japan? Natural disasters are just that. NATURAL. Don’t forget that natural disasters also occur on a regular basis in places of the world were there are no people. Surely all of us deserve the judgment of God. But, praise God, don’t get what we deserve because Jesus took it ALL on the Cross. It is FINISHED!
I’m sure you’ve all heard the saying and I’ve even said it myself in the past, “If God doesn’t judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” Now I say, “If God judges America, He will have to apologize to Jesus.”
Response to the above: Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence. The secret to peace and happiness.
And it truly is the secret to peace and happiness.
The scriptures make it clear throughout both new and old testament, with citation after citation – everything is in the hands of the Providence of God. Everything is in His hands.
“Good things and evil, life and death, poverty and riches are from God.” (Ecclus. 11:14)
‘It is one of the most firmly established and most consoling of the truths that have been revealed to us that (apart from sin) nothing happens to us in life unless God wills it so. Wealth and poverty alike come from Him. If we fall ill, God is the cause of our illness; if we get well, our recovery is due to God. We owe our lives entirely to Him, and when death comes to put an end to life, His will be the hand that deals the blow.’
‘It is then a truth of our faith that God is responsible for all the happenings we complain of in the world and, furthermore, we cannot doubt that all the misfortunes God sends us have a very useful purpose. We cannot doubt it without imputing to God a lack of judgment in deciding what is advantageous for us.’
EXACTLY!! I am 100% with Shin on this one (and agree with your previous post too, Shin).
The above quote from one of the greatest saints that ever walked the earth and who’s body remains incorrupt to this day.
Put in another way, if we have NO hand in our futures and that which affects our lives, then why are we implored to pray, pray and pray?
Answer: Because it is through prayer that we CAN and DO affect our lives and futures. Don’t doubt the power of prayer to prevent catastrophes and afflictions in our lives.
Does anyone here really believe God can not over-ride the natural forces of science - even the giant forces of the earth’s plate tectonics?
I agree…to the people who say this is somehow punishment from God, how do you explain that, according to science, these types of events happened way before humans ever existed…who was God punishing back then… the dinosaurs?
Is there any particular reason why in shaping His earth, God should NOT have allowed all kinds of natural forces to occur even before people walked His earth? Does the earth and all that lives and exists on it belong to God or to science?
You see, science operates in the context of God, not God in the context of science… People so often see God and science as mutually exclusive, yet in reality science IS nothing less than the hand of God at work…
Do you believe St Jean Marie Baptiste (John) Vianney (see above quote in Shin’s post) was wrong?
Going up against St John Vianney is quite brave (foolhardy?) - do you know much about him and how he lived, and his relationship with our Lord? If so, do you really think he is wrong in his statement?
Without getting into all aspects of the question, I will note one factor:
Adam and Eve were not the first sinners.
yes he is telling us what he told us in Genesis, he created the world, it operates governed by natural laws, and those laws state how earthquakes and tsunamis happen. I think that unless I get anointed as a prophet by God I had better be very careful about ascribing His motives to any natural disaster.
Well said. I would argue further that using the term “God’s motives” is presumptuous, puts one on shakey ground and tends to demote God.