Annatar << The Celtic Cross, is slightly based on pagan symbology. The circle is a widely used pagan symbol, represents the Sun god. >>
The circle is also a geometric shape. A circle is a circle. It could represent God being infinite. Show me a reputable scholarly source that shows “the circle on the Celtic Cross is a pagan symbol of the sun god.”
What I have on that cross: it is a characteristic symbol of Celtic Christianity, forming a major part of Celtic art. It is also referred to as the high cross, Irish Cross, or the Cross of Iona. There are many representations of the Christian cross through history:
– the Latin cross (used from the 2nd-3rd century AD);
– the Greek cross;
– the cross of Calvary or Graded Cross;
– the Celtic cross distinguished by the circle and intricate designs;
– the Russian Orthodox cross consists of three bars, the lowest bar slanted, the top bar represents “INRI” sign placed over Jesus’ head;
– the papal cross is the official symbol of the papacy, the three bars of the cross most likely represent the three realms of the Pope’s authority;
– the baptismal cross has eight points, symbolizing regeneration, formed by combining the Greek cross with the Greek letter chi (X), the first letter of “Christ” in Greek;
– the budded cross, its trefoils represent the Trinity;
– the conqueror’s or victor’s cross is another Greek cross;
– the triumphant cross with orb represents Christ’s reign over the world;
– an inverted cross is the cross of St. Peter who according to tradition was crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die the same way as Christ.
Many of these have circles, lines, or other symbols along with the lower case “t” shape of the cross. Is there any particular reason you think the Celtic or Irish cross comes from paganism, and not all these other crosses?
I do not accept a darn thing in “Zeitgeist” if it can’t be backed up with scholarship. Nothing in that film that I have checked out he gets right. Same with the Da Vinci Code. But here are two sources that may help you:
Celtic Cross History and Symbolism
Wikipedia on the Celtic Cross
There is a problem of course. The Celtic crosses (various shapes and sizes) according to these articles date from the 7th century AD and later. So you also have to show, if the Celtic cross indeed “comes from paganism” – how that would influence and what this has to do with Christianity of the first century, i.e. the Catholic Church began by Jesus, His apostles, and their immediate successor bishops, etc. The main point of “Zeitgeist” is that the original first-century Christianity is a COPY of the pagan ideas found in other cultures.
It is equally irrelevant to show that the Persian/Roman god Mithras was born on Dec 25th, and ah ha! Jesus also was born on Dec 25th. The problem here is that date (although initially connected with paganism) wasn’t adopted by the Catholic Church until sometime in the 4th century AD. The Church adopting a pagan date much later has nothing to do with the Catholic Christianity founded by Jesus and His apostles in the first century.
The “halo” is indeed a Greek/Roman symbol, what I have on that: The halo (or nimbus) found in Christian art was used by a number of pre-Christian cultures, including the Greeks and Romans. For example, Roman emperors were depicted on coins with radiantly lit heads. Christians gradually appropriated this cultural element and used it for Christian art. Moses’ face radiated light after he came down from Mount Sinai (Exod 34:29-35) and Jesus’ face at the Transfiguration “shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light” (Matt 17:2). The use of halos in Christian iconography is simply the Church recognizing the usefulness of an artistic motif.