Jewish Babylonian Talmud on the death of Christ?


#1

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) from the Tannaitic Period recorded:

“On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [the Nazarene] was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place a herald went forth and cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come and plead on his behalf.” And since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of Passover.” - Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a)

So, the obvious problems:

  1. The record uses the name Yeshu, which although a slight variation on Yeshua (Latin: Jesus), is a completely differant name.

  2. The record states first that He was hanged, then that the plan was to stone Him, both contradicting the Crucifixion.

  3. The record goes on to say that He was executed on the eve of Passover, which would have been wednesday evening (the eve before Passover), unless the text mean the evening of Passover, Thursday night. In either case, this contradicts the Gospels which say He was killed on Friday.

This text is often cited as proof of the historicity of Christ, yet how can we account for the problems in the text?


#2

Yeshu is not “completely different name”. I read somewhere (and I will try to find it) that “Yeshu” is meant to be an insult, meaning “let his name forever me erased”,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu

  1. The record states first that He was hanged, then that the plan was to stone Him, both contradicting the Crucifixion.

It is referring to being “hung” on a cross. I will look into the stoning part.

  1. The record goes on to say that He was executed on the eve of Passover, which would have been wednesday evening (the eve before Passover), unless the text mean the evening of Passover, Thursday night. In either case, this contradicts the Gospels which say He was killed on Friday.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu#Jesus_Connection.3F


#3

There are more issues than the ones you raise with the passage in its context. It goes on to say (my emphasis added):

come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_43.html

Ulla retorted: ‘Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defence could be made? Was he not a Mesith [enticer], concerning whom Scripture says, Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him?36 **With Yeshu however it was different, for he was connected with the government [or royalty, i.e., influential].’ **Our Rabbis taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni and Todah. When Matthai was brought [before the court] he said to them [the judges], Shall Matthai be executed? Is it not written, Matthai [when] shall I come and appear before God?37 Thereupon they retorted; Yes, Matthai shall be executed, since it is written, When Matthai [when] shall [he] die and his name perish.38 When Nakai was brought in he said to them; Shall Nakai be executed? It is not written, Naki [the innocent] and the righteous slay thou not?39 Yes, was the answer, Nakai shall be executed, since it is written, in secret places does Naki40 [the innocent] slay.41 When Nezer was brought in, he said; Shall Nezer be executed? Is it not written, And Nezer [a twig] shall grow forth out of his roots.42 Yes, they said, Nezer shall be executed, since it is written, But thou art cast forth away from thy grave like Nezer [an abhorred offshoot].43 When Buni was brought in, he said: Shall Buni be executed? Is it not written, Beni [my son], my first born?44 Yes, they said, Buni shall be executed, since it is written, Behold I will slay Bine-ka [thy son] thy first born.45 And when Todah was brought in, he said to them; Shall Todah be executed? Is it not written, A psalm for Todah [thanksgiving]?46 Yes, they answered, Todah shall be executed, since it is written, Whoso offereth the sacrifice of Todah [thanksgiving] honoured me.47


#4

Thanks for the rest of that passage Karen.


#5

Shalom!

From what I see, it does not contradict any Christian teachings. Yeshu most certainly is referring to Jesus.

As for the hanging… It is either hanging on the Cross, or He was hanging on something similar to a capital letter T.

T

It has become a recent belief that Jesus may have been crucified on something that looks like a T.

Either way, I see no contradictions! :thumbsup:

God Bless,


#6

To the extent there are differences in the stories, there are two explanations usually offered.

  1. Jesus was not important, comparatively, to jewish beliefs. So the rabbis may have gotten some facts wrong. In other words we weren’t exactly obsessed with paying attention to the details of what was thought of as a minor incident at the time.

  2. Some facts were purposely changed to avoid retribution from Christians.


#7

Re

  1. The record goes on to say that He was executed on the eve of Passover, which would have been wednesday evening (the eve before Passover), unless the text mean the evening of Passover, Thursday night. In either case, this contradicts the Gospels which say He was killed on Friday.

Note that John has the Crucifixion on the eve of Passover

[FONT=Georgia]Then they led Jesus from the house of Caiaphas to the praetorium. It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

John 18:28 while the others have the Last Supper as Passover. [/FONT]

There has been extensive discussion elsewhere on this. There are a couple of theories that Passover was celebrated on different dates by different groups. It would appear that it was the eve for the Temple officials.


#8

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