Jews for Jesus to hit streets of D.C.


#1

This news is a few weeks old, but do you think it’s a good idea to evangelize Jews?

washingtontimes.com/national/20040810-123436-5028r.htm


#2

Everyone needs to be evangelized including Jews. Targeting a group is, however, problematic. Organized resistance will inevitably ensue which carries with it new problems that could otherwise be avoided. It also smacks of a kind of disrespect since other groups are not targeted in the same way.


#3

yes, i think it’s a good idea to evangelize jewish people. they deserve to hear the truth of Jesus the Messiah even more than gentiles (rom. 1:16- “I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes; first for the jew, then for the gentile.” ). paul had a specific strategy whenever he entered a new city. even though he was the “apostle to the gentiles”, he first went and preached in the synagogue. then he would go into the streets and preach to the gentiles. jews for jesus, even though protestant in foundation, has a great heart for God’s chosen people and they want to reveal to them the salvation which can be found in the new covenant. even though they might not have the fullness which the catholic church posseses, they are still Christian and shouldn’t be opposed by other Christians (unless they were doing something un-Christ-like which they are not). their motives are good and we should therefore either remain silent or support our separated brethren.


#4

[quote=Pax]Everyone needs to be evangelized including Jews. Targeting a group is, however, problematic. Organized resistance will inevitably ensue which carries with it new problems that could otherwise be avoided. It also smacks of a kind of disrespect since other groups are not targeted in the same way.
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As the article says, the Pope has already said Jews shouldn’t be targeted for conversion.


#5

Hmmm now that I think about it, maybe we should evangelize the “Jews for Jesus” and bring them into the one Holy catholic and Apostolic Church…:wink:


#6

People have been trying to evangelize me all my life - if anything the result has been to make me even more observant, so, perhaps, it hasn’t been such a bad thing!


#7

[quote=mtr01]Hmmm now that I think about it, maybe we should evangelize the “Jews for Jesus” and bring them into the one Holy catholic and Apostolic Church…:wink:
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that’s a good idea (although it would be proselytizing as they are Christians). there is nothing wrong with sharing truth.

[quote=mtr01]As the article says, the Pope has already said Jews shouldn’t be targeted for conversion.
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but at the same time, the pope aknowledges that Jesus is “the way, the truth and the life. no one comes to the Father except through” Him. the pope also said that we should not target them for 100years (in hopes of helping with some sort of healing from the centuries of anti-semitism coming from christianity, mainly the catholic church). on the other hand, he was not speaking ex-cathedra and therefore it is still up to the individual believer in deciding when to speak and with whom to speak to.


#8

Hey, better Jews for Jesus than Jews against Jesus. Most Jews are against Jesus, you know. Yes, they are. It is a central part of being a Jew this rejecting of Christ. Jews are often very reactionary about it and have retreated further into their ethnocentricism or obsessive scrupousity with hairsplitting Jewish laws.


#9

[quote=WhiteDove]Hey, better Jews for Jesus than Jews against Jesus. Most Jews are against Jesus, you know. Yes, they are. It is a central part of being a Jew this rejecting of Christ. Jews are often very reactionary about it and have retreated further into their ethnocentricism or obsessive scrupousity with hairsplitting Jewish laws.
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Is a central part of being a Christian the rejection of Mohammed or is Mohammed just orthogonal to being a Christian?

Am I against Jesus? No more than I’m “against” Mohammed or the religious figures of any other religion - they’re all equally meaningless…


#10

[quote=cabaret]Is a central part of being a Christian the rejection of Mohammed or is Mohammed just orthogonal to being a Christian?

Am I against Jesus? No more than I’m “against” Mohammed or the religious figures of any other religion - they’re all equally meaningless…
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mohammed and his church claims to be the answer to the falsehoods of judaism while Jesus and His church claims to be the fulfillment of judaism (it actually claims that the most jewish thing to do is to believe in the jewish messiah, Jesus). there is a difference and judaism as a faith is more in jeopardy from Christianity than islam. as a people, it seems radical islam is a bigger danger, but, in today’s world, the distinctive trait of a jewish person is their rejection of the claims of Jesus.


#11

[quote=bengal_fan]mohammed and his church claims to be the answer to the falsehoods of judaism while Jesus and His church claims to be the fulfillment of judaism (it actually claims that the most jewish thing to do is to believe in the jewish messiah, Jesus). there is a difference and judaism as a faith is more in jeopardy from Christianity than islam. as a people, it seems radical islam is a bigger danger, but, in today’s world, the distinctive trait of a jewish person is their rejection of the claims of Jesus.
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Oh, I’m an equal opportunities Messiah denier - there have been more claimants than Jesus and I don’t believe in any of them, either.

From a Christian perspective, I’m denying Jesus. From a Moslem perspective, I’m denying Islam. From a Hindu perspective . . . .

It is a matter of perspective - to me, I’m just following my religion.


#12

When I was a child we lived across the street from a Baptist church, which was an oddity in heavily Catholic and Lutheran Wisconsin. It used to annoy our Catholic/Lutheran family to no end to have these Baptists witnessing to us regularly.

I say live a good life and maybe somebody will be curious where your values come from. You know…“They’ll know we are Christians by our love…”

White Dove, I don’t agree that most Jews are against Jesus. They just don’t accept him as the messiah. What you said sounded very hateful.


#13

[quote=cabaret]It is a matter of perspective - to me, I’m just following my religion.

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that is my point. none of those other religions claim to be the fulfillment of your religion. the only one laying claim to that is Christianity, based on Christ’s claims about Himself. that is fine if you reject that, but, as a jew, you should be more offended by Christianity than any other religion because it makes the most outlandish claims about your religion and that it is now the true religion and the old covenant of moses (not that it is extinct but…) has no power of allowing people to be with God for eternity.


#14

I know a young Jewish college student who is an Atheist and I have been encouraging him to return to his faith ( for now, that would be better than not believing in God)
He just returned from a month’s visit in Israel with his family and had loads of pictures of the Holy Wall in Jerusalem, etc.
I’m approaching introducing him to Catholicism very carfully…
Does anyone have any suggestions?:hmmm:


#15

[quote=bengal_fan]that is my point. none of those other religions claim to be the fulfillment of your religion. the only one laying claim to that is Christianity, based on Christ’s claims about Himself. that is fine if you reject that, but, as a jew, you should be more offended by Christianity than any other religion because it makes the most outlandish claims about your religion and that it is now the true religion and the old covenant of moses (not that it is extinct but…) has no power of allowing people to be with God for eternity.
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And my point is that, whatever Christians claim is irrelevant to me, as a Jewess. I’m not “offended” by Christians believing whatever it is that they want to believe.


#16

[quote=cabaret]Is a central part of being a Christian the rejection of Mohammed or is Mohammed just orthogonal to being a Christian?

Am I against Jesus? No more than I’m “against” Mohammed or the religious figures of any other religion - they’re all equally meaningless…
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NO, but for some reason, Jews have become pre-occupied and defensive against Christianity. Perhaps Christians in Muslim regions are pre-occupied with Islam, I can’t say.

Yes, I believe many Jews today, secular or religious have a huge chip on their shoulder regarding Christianity. Unfortunately, the Jewish leaders were not able to give up their legalistic ethnicentricity that it still so alive today. They adopted at first an attack posture towards the early Christians, whom they saw as a threat to them. Then, as Christianity became predominant in Europe, where the Jews had dispersed, the Jewish community became increasingly defensive and insular. This polarized the communities. All this was exacerbated by insitutionalized anti-Semitism, which gave the entire Jewish people permanant historical victim status. All of this culminated with Hitler’s final solution and the creation of the State of Isreal.

anyways, that’s my personal take on it…


#17

But, the Catholic Church has definately carried the flame of salvation from the old to the new covenant. It’s hardly coincidental that the destruction of the Temple in Jeruselem came shortly after the death of Christ. Now, God’s covenent extends to the whole human race. This universality is refered to often in the New Testament. That was obviously a teaching that the Jewish leaders disliked.

The New Jeruselem will be a heavenly one. That is the promise of God. But, the Priesthood now resides in the Church Jesus started, not with the remnant of Jews practising rabbinical Judaism today.

That’s not to denigrate some of the deep teachings in Judaism. There’s plenty of good to be found within it. Of course, many people, for cultural reasons, can’t break away from their traditions and become Catholic. It’s a huge psychological barrier to most Jews, of course…


#18

[quote=bapcathluth]I say live a good life and maybe somebody will be curious where your values come from. You know…“They’ll know we are Christians by our love…”

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let’s finish that verse shall we…

“They’ll know you are my disciples by your love for one another.”

maybe we should remember that before we get upset at our Christian brothers and sisters (like baptists). no matter how they are acting we need to love them. that means not complaining about them behind their backs but, in love, confronting them when their behaviour is contrary to Christ’s teachings. if we don’t feel we can do that we should just say nothing.


#19

I’m sorry Bengal Fan that you completely ignored White Doves’ rant against the Jews, and instead focused on my miniscule criticism of the Baptists who witnessed to their fellow Christians who lived across the street for years. As a matter of fact, I did tell them to their face. One time I gave them a flyer from my church.
It is very insulting to have somebody imply that your brand of Christianity isn’t good enough. Rather than endear people to your thoughts, it drives them away. I was only recommending that we live our lives well and people might be drawn to our way of life and that is why I quoted the famous song.

As for White Doves’ latest opine against the Jews–hmm I wonder why they might harbor a little ill will against us Christians. Do you think centuries of pogroms etc. might have something to do with it? Besides, all the Jews I know do not harbor ill will. I have never heard them say anything negative about Jesus, but why would they accept Him when they are happy with their own religion. Talk about ethnocentricity!! You act like the only reason they don’t accept Jesus is cultural. Did it ever occur to you that they might find fulfillment in their own religion?


#20

a friend of mine was raised jewish, but as he entered adulthood he began to research the claims that Jesus made and comparing them with old testament prophecies (especially in isaiah). through his research and study he became a Christian. his parents were shocked. they told him he couldn’t do it because he was jewish. he said it was the most jewish thing he could do to believe in the jewish messiah. long story short, a month later they held a funeral for him. not because he died, but because he was dead to them. he never told them they were “goin’ to hell” or that they were in a “false” religion. he simply began to live his faith. they never disowned him. they say he is still their son, he is just not their son brian (even though they still call him brian). imagine, he is still walking on this earth yet he has a tombstone with his name on it and a date from 13 years ago. i would say his parents definitely harbored feelings against Jesus (although i’m sure they would have reacted similarly if he had become muslim). they would not have reacted this way if he simply adopted eastern philosophy or buddhism or atheism. they knew the claims Jesus made and what the church teaches about Christianity and it being the fulfillment of judaism and that is (and should be) a threat to judaism. i for one am glad jews for Jesus is doing this. i might not agree with handing out tracts, but as long as they do it in a loving way (which i have always known them to do) i support them fully. these are jewish people who have seriously considered the claims of Jesus and have been fulfilled in their faith and they desire for more jewish people to at least consider and talk about Jesus.


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