Jews of the Old Covenant


Consider this:

God is always faithful to his covenants.
A covenant is an agreement between 2 parties. Both must agree.
If the Jews who did not accept the New Covenant (Jesus) remain faithful to the Old covenant (Mosaic Law), then they are still God’s chosen people.

Does this make sense?



They violated the Old Covenant many times and broke it for good when they murdered the Son of God.
The Old Covenant is no longer valid.
The book of Hebrews is a good place to start


It depends what you mean by Old Covenant. The convenant with Moses was provisional and transitory. It no longer applies. The covenant with Abraham, the covenant of faith, is fulfilled in Christ. In a sense, it is the same covenant. This covenant, first offered to the Jews, has since also been offered to the Gentiles. Those with faith in Christ are grafted in, while those without it are cut off. Once the fullness of the Gentiles come in, the Jews will also acknowledge Christ and in fulfillment of the promises God has made to them. They are not definitively cut off–they are still His chosen people–the call and promises of God are irrevocable.


Hello phoage,
Your question doesn’t make sense to me. Do we agree that the following is the new covenant or are you referring to something else.
JER 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
JER 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know
me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


By New Covenant, I am referring to Jesus, The New Testament, The Church.



The Covenant with Moses is a detailed explanation of the Ten Commandments. Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are “provisional and transitory”? Besides this, G-d’s Law contains numerous expressions by G-d Himself attesting to the everlasting permanence of His Covenant with Moses. Do you believe G-d was lying or joking when he made such statements? And Jesus Himself said that He came not to change one iota of the Law: what does this mean regarding the Covenant with Moses?


Is a covenant broken due to sin, which cannot be forgiven? If this were so, then BOTH Jews and Christians had better seek another covenant.


The Ten Commandments can also be known by reason–they are not dependent on the Mosaic Law. Here’s a good article on the covenants and their relationship with the New (the context is looking at these themes in the writings of Cardinal Ratzinger, but it provides a good overview with the supporting Scriptural citations).

There’s a reason the specific details of the Mosaic Law are not (and even cannot) be followed by Jews today, why there is no more sacrifices offered, no temple, no penalties inflicted, etc. and also why there has not been a prophet among them since those days, whereas the pure sacrifice offered from East to West from the rising to the setting sun, prophesied by the last prophet, is offered under the covenant of Christ.


This article explains perfectly the fallacy of my argument. So much for my attempt at theology.



Just because you are in a covenant with God, this doesn’t necessarily make you God’s “chosen” people.

I say this as a Jew. In the earliest expressions of our people, in ancient times, it was common for us (like our ancient national neighbors around us) to claim that we were unique, and that our God had given us a special status in the world and the universe. We claimed back then that we were chosen above all others in a way that no other people or nation had been chosen, and we asserted in those ancient days that it was by a special revelation (a covenant) from God that made this status so.

But guess what? This is basically what every other nation that coexisted with ours did too. Read and study their religious literature that was written around the same time ours was. Theirs says about the same thing–sometimes the very same thing.

Now, I don’t reject my God, my religion, my culture’s distinctiveness, or the Mosaic Covenant. I’m Torah observant. But being in the Covenant, and being “God’s Chosen People,” well–are they really the same thing?

Besides, according to the Roman Catholic Church in the recent document released by the Vatican in 2015 entitled The Gifts and Calling of God are Irrevocable, regardless of the fact that the Church sees itself in the New Covenant with Jesus, it does NOT teach that the Covenant between God and the Jews has ended, nor that God’s relationship with the Jews changed in anyway: “The covenant that God has offered Israel is irrevocable. ‘God is not man, that he should lie’ (Num 23:19; cf. 2 Tim 2:13). The permanent elective fidelity of God expressed in earlier covenants is never repudiated…God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel.”

While the Jewish people retain a vocation that emerges authentically out of our own Jewish history, we have no superiority from our calling. We are no more “chosen” or special than any other people because of it. As the Catholic Church teaches, God has not set aside or rejected the Jews because of the New Covenant, neither are there any peoples on earth that are more chosen or more special than any others today either. All today are called by God to love their neighbor and serve one another. All are called to work toward bringing forth God’s redemption.

Instead of seeking to feel especially chosen by God, choose to make your neighbor feel especially chosen by you as you loving seek them out and serve their needs. Worry not how God views the Jews or Christians. Worry more how you are viewed by God and how you are treating your neighbor.

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