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Have you heard Swaggart slander the CC and Apostolic Churches, or called them cults
Last week, along with the Jews, Mormons, Calvinists and most of the Pentecostal movement. Luther he takes what he likes, mis-quotes him in other respects, then disregards his teaching "totally", but he's big on "justification" to support his theology of God and salvation which we see below with St Paul and Romans.
So then its a systematic disregard of all the Churchs by pitting them against each other, which leaves only "his" church to be the one and only true church of God. And of course he likes Billy Graham, however Mr Grahams not taking money out his pocket today so of course no harm their. In fact he's selling Billy Grahams older talks, so in fact he's profiting off of Billy Graham.
Calvin? classic, I wish I taped it. He has Calvin and TULIP down cold. I'll give him that.
His idea of the Wailing Wall. the church Icons which have existed since 1-AD and much earlier with the Jews is Idol worship/cult. He missed the entire idealology of reverence and veneration, in truth the path to God and history of the church, and in pride rebukes all of it. Bascially as Wesley states above the Oral Tradition, Historic history of the church and its early writtings which led to the Bible. Icons dating to 1--2 AD etc. In fact his son goes on to state just how terrible all this is in detail and how it makes him sick. People don't worship Idols[for the most part I would assume], they realize that the further you see back in history the clearer you'll see the truth of the present and future. The Icons are a message, and its the message which is worshipped. not the actual physical item, even it was the actual physical Cross of Christ.
The Saints are Biblical, its "reverence" and teaching from those who walked the path before us to santification by Grace. To disregard their teachings is to severe a detailed instruction in the path to Christ. They are the road map through the darkness. The steps to heaven thus sanctification, which of course only comes through the Lords will as he wills, when he will, and to whom and how much he wills. A personal path to God detailed by each one of them in particular the Doctors of the Chruch. Do yoi have to venerate them? Well the question realy is will they bring you clarity? Of course they will. They are coverting souls to this day on earth. Fact of life.
Premise being you go straight to Christ and the rest is irrelevant. Its another half-truth. It gets back to the theory of what one "HAS TO DO" to find salavation. Thats an assumption as to the minimal required in Gods Kingdom to reach Heaven. In other words it no different than myself as a Catholic stating; "OK what is 'required' of me, what do I Have to do?"
Here you even see Catholic's who will say OK, I have to go to church of Sunday. I have to attend the Holy Days of Obligation, I have to avoid the near occasion of sin......... But how does one acheive this by only doing the minimal? Then, you even see Catholics who seriously believe you can be Pro-Choice which is "impossible" and in direct conflict with Rome. But this is what "the minimal" will do for your salvation, even in just correct understanding, never mind worship.
Of course Jerry Lee Lewis gets Jimmys props:thumbsup: I'll bet ya he has a Jerry Lee Lewis piano though. :thumbsup: In other words.......incorrect worship, thus Idol Worship.
Hey if this guy spins your wheels, God Bless.
However, whats even more amazing, is how much more extrodinary the churchs are in which the callers are following, and calling from... Angel Feathers, Gold Dust falling from the sky, people walking on the back of the pew's filled with the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes: Seriously now, it has to make you wonder just how lost Christianity has become today.
BTW I haven't watched his service, I just happen to catch the callers, calling in at the end of the show a couple times. So their questions in regards to other faiths takes him into a deeper dialogue of other faiths, in which his whole panel comments. But if you watch close, they all constantly look at each other for confidence, and not to contradict each other. Especially Jimmys son, watch him close and you'll see him look or glance over to Francis as if he might be saying something wrong. I've caught the show with Jimmy running the group and also with Francis. Its much more revealing when Francis runs the panel, though I do find her more respectful, if thats possible. Jimmy is much more in group control and in charge of the group dynamics. Francis allows the elaboration to reveal much more than Jimmy. Jimmy just nips it at the bud quickly in other words.
Francis btw who is she? Is that Jimmys wife?
Listen this is just my hard fast observation, and from a couple shows at the end with callers. So an indepth understanding I do not have of Mr Swaggarts theology, but I think I have the overall idea down and its not hard to tell where his theology is astray from Apostlic teaching.
Basically here's what Jimmy Swaggart does promote............
Whats ironic is that they then call all Christians to stick together with Abortion, Gay Marriage, Relgious Freedom, Christmas meaning during the Holidays etc.
Thus a message in conflict with itself, and basic half truths of Biblical understanding and History. I believe he has a major impact in specific areas and could do much better in uniting Christianity though