Judge rules Trump administration must stop giving psychotropic drugs to migrant children without permission


#1

EXCERPT:
A federal judge reportedly ordered the Trump administration on Monday to stop administering psychotropic medication to migrant children without obtaining permission from their parents or guardians, finding that the practice violated child welfare law.

The Washington Post reported that U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee in Los Angeles ordered that officials must get consent or a court order to give the medication to migrant children. The psychotropic medications can still be given without permission under emergency circumstances.

Gee also ordered that the migrant children be removed from the Texas facility where the drugs were administered, Shiloh Residential Treatment Center in Manvel, except for those found to be a danger to themselves or others, according to the newspaper.

Officials had said the children were only given the medication on “an emergency basis” when a child’s “extreme psychiatric symptoms” became dangerous, the Post reported

The judge reportedly noted that the children had testified they were given the drugs “every morning and every night,” and wrote that staff “could not have possibly” provided the medications on an emergency basis every day.


#2

This judge might need some psychotropics herself. The only medication mentioned in the article is an anticonvulsant. The article never tells for what it has been prescribed. The judge ordered that “psychotropic” drugs could only be given in emergencies and by a licensed physician. Interesting, since CMTs routinely give ordered meds in all kinds of facilities, including hospitals, and NPs probably prescribe more meds than physicians do nowadays.

But regardless, the judge thought she had serious evidence of abuse that countered the government’s witness testimony that drugs were administered only when needed. Here it is:

“The judge didn’t buy this explanation, pointing to testimony from children …”


#3

There are still over 700 children not yet united with their parents, and the pathetic fact is that this administration created this problem and has not solved it. This goes beyond the word “pathetic” and has been condemned by Pope Francis and the USCCB.

Jesus said “suffer the little children to come unto me”, not “make the children suffer”.


#4

In a way you’re right. The government perceived that “catch and release” to which Obama resorted after the latest Flores decision prevented keeping adults and minors together, was causing even more illegal immigration. So it detained the adults, like the Obama administration did for awhile but later abandoned. But the media turned public opinion against that, so now I guess the administration has gone back to “catch and release” which is just another version of open borders.

But the Dems want open borders, so that suits them fine.


#5

Very few Dems want “open borders”, so spouting such stereotypical nonsense doesn’t help one’s cause.

Also, in the latter years of the Obama administration, there was less than a net-zero gain in illegal immigration as he deported more than any other previous president plus fewer were trying to get across.

I think it’s important to deal with facts acquired from verifiable sources versus using stereotypes and distortions, which is why I prefer not to discuss things with certain people who all too often use both.


#6

Haven’t heard this from the “Dems”. Could it be that you are posting this without a factual basis?


#7

At a point, you have to determine intent by actions. Hillary Clinton is the only Democrat who openly advocated open borders, and then only with Latin America. But since she was the presidential candidate of the party, it’s reasonable to believe she was stating the party position.


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This judge might need some psychotropics herself. The only medication mentioned in the article is an anticonvulsant. The article never tells for what it has been prescribed. The judge ordered that “psychotropic” drugs could only be given in emergencies and by a licensed physician. Interesting, since CMTs routinely give ordered meds in all kinds of facilities, including hospitals, and NPs probably prescribe more meds than physicians do nowadays.

But regardless, the judge thought she had serious evidence of abuse that countered the government’s witness testimony that drugs were administered only when needed. Here it is:

“The judge didn’t buy this explanation, pointing to testimony from children …”

Julio Z., another minor held at Shiloh, said he “never knew exactly what the pills were.” Court documents list Clonazepam, Divalproex, Duloxetine, Guanfacine, Latuda, Geodon, and Olanzapine among his medications.

Did you even bother to read the article…obviously not…yet you insinuate the judge might need psychotropics herself…are you saying court documents are bogus…that they aren’t psychotropic drugs…


#9

To say that HRC advocated for open borders is not a judgement of intent by actions. This is a twisting of of an aspirational view into the bogeyman of an open border policy. You know this perfectly well. Why not just admit it?


#10

I am guessing if prescribed birth control without parents permission, they’d be fine.


#11

I didn’t say it was. In her case, it was her own words.


#12

Saying Demos don’t advocate for open borders is like saying Demos aren’t socialist and communist when Perez says socialist are the future of the party. If it quacks like a duck it is California write large.


#13

No. I certainly did read the article.

I’m saying the article itself only listed one medication, and certainly not the ones you mention in your post. I’m talking about the original article. I don’t know where you got that list, but it wasn’t from the article.

If you’re talking about the WaPo article that comes later, I didn’t read it because of the paywall. I wouldn’t give them a dollar for anything.


#14

Yes, we should ignore children when they say they’re being abused. What could go wrong?


#15

Death from infection for one thing. These minors (and they’re not all children) have no idea at all what meds they’re being given. And kids will make up or exaggerate stories.

We’re told these minors have traveled a thousand miles on top of trains and such, undoubtedly in the most unsanitary conditions imaginable, most have been abused, some are “merchandise” in human trafficking, they’re in the care of HHS and are given meds.

So this judge believes CMTs, for example, shouldn’t administer prescribed meds. Only physicians can do that. There’s not a hospital in the country that requires that.


#16

Do you know what a psychotropic drug is?


#17

I do. But do those minors? I doubt that. Could have been vitamins for all they knew.


#18

This is a really good point. Many readers might not know that psychotropic drugs can cross the blood-brain barrier and that they can cause significant neurological changes especially in brains exposed to these drugs before full maturation.

Using these drugs on children should not be done without careful consideration and certainly not without the concent of someone who has the child’s best interest as their primary consideration - a parent is the obvious and natural advocate for a child’s best interest. These drugs most certainly should not be used just to make a child more manageable - which is clearly a pitfall in an institutional setting.

“The movement of intravascular compounds from the blood to the brain parenchyma is impeded by the blood-brain barrier (BBB), which is made up of endothelial cells, pericytes, the end-feet of astrocytes, and interendothelial tight junctions. In addition, those molecules that actually penetrate the BBB are subject to extraction from the brain back into the systemic circulation by drug transporters. From an evolutionary standpoint, these biological processes make sense: they ensure that the brain and other tissues essential for life and survival are clear of foreign chemicals and environmental toxins. But they al-so present a formidable challenge to achieving adequate and sustained drug exposure in the brain.”

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/cultural-psychiatry/crossing-blood-brain-barrier-integrating-scientific-innovation-socio-ethical-reflection-predictive

“It is increasingly recognized that chronic psychotropic drug treatment may lead to structural remodeling of the brain. Indeed, clinical studies in humans present an intriguing picture: antipsychotics, used for the treatment of schizophrenia and psychosis, may contribute to cortical gray matter loss in patients, whereas lithium, used for the treatment of bipolar disorder and mania, may preserve gray matter in patients.”

https://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/psychiatric-medication-effects-on-brain-structure


#19

How is a child is going to die from an infection if their guards can’t give them psychotropic drugs without parental consent?

Even children are going to be able to tell the difference in psychological impacts of vitamins vs. psychotropics.


#20

Depends on the med. For the most part, they wouldn’t, since most of them require a blood level for effect.

But regardless, the judge decided to believe minors (they’re not all children by any means) instead of government health providers.


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