How could the Catholic church be created by St Peter, if he was killed there (in ~69 )?
Jesus started the Catholic church. He started it “on” Peter (“On this rock I will build my church”), meaning Peter got to be the first pope. But Peter didn’t start the Catholic church. Jesus did.
Ok, but how did Jesus start this church “on” St Peter, if Peter wasn’t alive?
What do you mean? Peter was alive at the same time as Jesus. In Matt. 16:18 Jesus was with Peter. Both of them were alive.
Yes, but in Rome he was killed.
Yes, Peter was killed in Rome after Jesus had already died. Peter only had a short time of being pope and leading the church, but he was still granted the distinction of being the first pope.
Before either Jesus or Peter died, Jesus laid out all the foundations for the Catholic church. He started the Eucharist at the Last Supper, He was baptized by John in the Jordon River, the Holy Spirit came down upon the apostles as the first Confirmation, Jesus heard sins and forgave them and told Peter he could do the same, He even gave us the Lord’s prayer. Since there wasn’t instant messaging and text messaging, Peter and the apostles had to go around telling everybody about this stuff.
The church as we think of it didn’t get up and going for a few hundred years. But it all started with Jesus and Peter.
Now I understand. Thanks:thumbsup: !
What a great way of explaining this!
I don’t understand either of your posts. What point are you trying to make?
IIRC traditionally St Peter was said to have been Pope for 25 years which would put him in the top three of longest reigning Popes.
But the dates given for his papacy (although not precisely known) indicate that his reign was probably well over 30 years
orthodox_kid may be making the assumption that he had to be in Rome to be Pope or that he died immediately upon entering the city. But Peter wasn’t Pope because he was in Rome; Peter was Pope because he was Peter.
So Peter was a Pope before entering Rome? Or he was killed after a long time?
Peter was Pope as soon as Jesus ascended into Heaven.
You don’t have to be in Rome to be Pope. In fact, there was an extended period in the Middle Ages when the Popes resided in Avignon, France. The position of Pope has nothing to do with location.
Peter became Pope when Christ turned His flock over to him in John 21:15-19, he remained at Jersalem for a number of years, went on to establish the church at Antioch, and then on to Rome , where he was for several years. Paul even says basically that he didn’t need to go to Rome to preach because Peter was there.
Just wanted to add a point here for the OP–when Peter left Antioch he took his authority (the Keys) with him to Rome. The authority has nothing to do with the place of residence–it resides with a person. So, when Peter died in Rome, the authority passed on to the next Pope (Linus) who was in Rome.
If Pope Benedict decided to uproot from the Vatican (speaking hypothetically) he would take his authority as successor to Peter wherever he went. Contrary to what many believe the name of the Church is “the Catholic Church”–Latin and Eastern Rites. Officially, it is not called the “Roman Catholic” Church.
Yes, Peter was Pope before he entered Rome. He spent time in Rome before he was killed.
At the time of Peter’s death, there were no Catholic Church buildings. The Roman emperor Nero had Peter executed (tradition holds he was crucified upside down). Eventually, St. Peter’s Basilica was built in the area believed to be the spot where St. Peter was martyred.
The following website gives the Catholic Encyclopedia article on St. Peter
And before Peter died, he appointed Linus as the next pope; and following Linus was Anacletus, then Clement. The Church was well under way!
PS–Read the first Eucharist Prayer, and you will see that we still remember those first popes in the liturgy.