"Justice for Immigrants" and USCCB

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Are people here familiar with this? Justice for Immigrants? Why are the US bishops trying to overturn US immigration policy? Why don’t they go through legal channels, like persuading Congress to increase the limit of immigrants allowed in legally each year?

Isn’t it a bit of a misnomer? More like “Amnesty for Immigrants” or “Mercy for Immigrants” or “Bishops for Open Borders”, wouldn’t you say? I wonder how much support in $$ the bishops give to this:
http://www.usccb.org/about/migration-policy/justice-for-immigrants.cfm

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#2

I find it peculiar that so much exposition goes into giving legal status to those who’ve engaged in illegal immigration and yet they don’t say much about their plans to help alleviate poverty through Catholic charities. It’s like that paragraph at the end was sort of an after thought

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#3

Yes

It’s like rewarding people who break the law while denying those who take care to follow the law. That is unjust in and of itself.

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#5

US Bishops are also working to overturn abortion laws, human trafficking, discrimination against the disabled, and on and on. Working for a just society is not a “one trick pony”, there are many affronts to Catholic Social Doctrine in our world.

You may want to read this, lesser known, compendium of doctrine

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html

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#6

Could you provide a link showing where the bishops promote open borders?

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#7

The leftist parts of this are so contrary to older versions of the catechism, I m not sure how people accept this.

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#8

First see what God said about refugees.

Leviticus 19
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
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Ezekiel 47
21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.

Leviticus 24
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.

All the land belongs to God, no where in the Bible does it suggest building walls to keep refugees out.

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#9

So you are for open borders?

There are channels that genuine refugees can avail of and come here legally.

Sneaking across the border is not one of them.

I have worked with refugees from Iraq and Myanmar and they did avail of that system and came in legally. They did not pay coyotes to sneak them across the border. If the legal process for refugees is too difficult to navigate then we should seek to reform this process.

If you are concerned about refugees how about working and or supporting with non profit organization that help them.

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#10

How else do you read those bible passages?

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#11

They do not call for open borders.

Now, please answer my question.

By the way, insisting that illegal immigrants follow the same law that legal immigrants follow to immigrate over here is not oppression.

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#12

How do aliens get into Israel in the first place, other than just walk across a border with no passport control.

Leviticus 19
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

And likewise we should treat them in the same way we want to be treated.
Leviticus 24
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.
We can say that, if we have the luxury of being born in a country, that gives us a comfortable lifestyle. Would you willingly accept this unfairness for you and your family; if you were brought up in a place of poverty.

And don’t forget, most Americans are probably the descendants of Europeans; who took the land from the Native Americans.

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#13

Since most of the illegal immigrants are coming from predominantly Catholic countries, I wonder why the US Bishops are not more aggressive in supporting the needs of the Bishops in these home countries.

Church teachings on subsidiarity clearly indicates that is the appropriate response.

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#14

Do you keep your door unlocked and let anyone come in to live with you?

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#15

How about where they say " a broad-based legalization of the undocumented of all nationalities"? http://www.usccb.org/about/migration-policy/justice-for-immigrants.cfm

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#17

I was born and spent my early years in a poor country before legally immigrating here.

You know there is a middle road between being born in a wealthy country and immigrating illegally. There is something called legal immigration. Both native born and legal immigrants, both naturalized citizens and legal aliens, both obey the laws of the land. Why are those who simply walk over the border exempt from having to obey it?

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#18

Goal #1: To educate the public, especially the Catholic community, including Catholic public officials, about Church teaching on migration and immigrants;

I don’t think it’s working.

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#19

I’d say that where most immigrants aren’t drug dealers or other criminals, then the number accepted by the bishops’ proposal would be broad. But broad =/= 100%.

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#20

Of course, but look at how America was formed, Europeans took it from the Native Indians. So that kind of makes them illegal immigrants, then over time these illegal immigrants put up boarder controls.

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#21

You could say the same thing about every country on this earth.

If we go by this, then every law ever given on earth is invalid because at some point in time, someone took land away from someone.

In this case we’d have complete anarchy.

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#22

Things are different now because we have a set of laws relating to immigration and border control. They came into being in the late 1800s in the US.

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