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This is so good lanman87.
Unfortunately if you tell your minister a saved person’s “inmost being has been changed” she will tell you that you are merely “covered” by the righteousness of Christ.
You also said . . . .
And this is correct too. The Holy Spirit now prompts them, and works in and through them.
But people are free to reject these graces (and they sometimes do reject them--even definitively).
These people CAN lose their gift of faith.
St. Paul in his letters to Timothy makes just this warning.
*]Some have “wandered away (from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith)” (1st Timothy 1:6)
*]Some have “shipwrecked their faith” (1st Timothy 1:19)
*]Some “abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” (1st Timothy 4:1)
*]Some have “denied the faith” (1st Timothy 5:8)
*]Some have “wandered from the faith” (1st Timothy 6:21)
*]Some have “wandered away from the truth” (2nd Timothy 2:18)
You can sadly choose to throw away your faith!
And if you DO throw away your faith and not repent, are you saved anyway? No! Sacred Scripture (and the CCC 161) says:
HEBREWS 11:6a 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, . . .
AND . . . . Some of these people KEEP their faith . . . . but choose to throw away their charity (even while keeping their faith!).
This results in a real “faith”, but it is now a “dead faith” as St. James warns in James 2:17.
The Council of Trent gives us the same admonition.
COUNCIL OF TRENT CANON XXVIII If any one saith, that, grace being lost through sin, faith also is always lost with it; or, that the faith which remains, though it be not a lively faith, is not a true faith; or, that he, who has faith without charity, is not a Christian; let him be anathema.
Also from Trent . . .
That, by every mortal sin, grace is lost, but not faith.
COUNCIL OF TRENT In opposition also to the subtle wits of certain men, who, by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent, it is to be maintained, that the received grace of Justification is lost, not only by infidelity whereby even faith itself is lost, but also by any other mortal sin whatever, though faith be not lost; thus defending the doctrine of the divine law, which excludes from the kingdom of God not only the unbelieving, but the faithful also (who are) fornicators, adulterers, effeminate, liers with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, railers, extortioners, and all others who commit deadly sins; from which, with the help of divine grace, they can refrain, and on account of which they are separated from the grace of Christ.
St. Paul gives the same warning in 1st Corinthians 13 about people who have “FAITH” to move mountains but have not “charity”.
That’s a LOT of faith.
And we know it is NOT a false faith because St. Paul warns that they need to ABIDE in it (“abide these three—faith, hope, and charity).
Jesus gives us the same warning implicitly in Matthew 25 talking to people who refer to Jesus as their “LORD” yet refused to “work”. They ended up condemning themselves.
Jesus warns about this too in Matthew 7:21 when He says . . . .
MATTHEW 7:19-21 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down
and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who DOES THE WILL of my Father who is in heaven.
lanman87. You are not far from the kingdom. You are so close. Keep up the great work, study, and prayer (and pray for me too please).
And I will pray for you too lanman87.
We are over 1000 posts here and I sense this thread will soon come to an end (so I wanted to ask you to pray for me here lanman87).
Thank you for your prayers.
You may not agree, but I am in the Kingdom. I placed my total faith in Christ and He is working in me and my life.
I will also be praying for you.
And yes, my guess is this thread will be closed soon. Everyone keep saying the same things over and over again.