[quote="Gabriel_of_12, post:1168, topic:442045"]
Thank you for your post:)
From your posting I take it, that your claim of Catholic is not in full communion with Peter =Present Pope in the Latin Rite, is this correct?
Faith and works are at work when Jesus institutes His Eucharist. First of all, Jesus is fulfilling the ancient Hebrew Passover to the letter here. When the high priest, Jesus speaks the Hebrew term zikaron (memory or memorial) in the Passover which literally is translated to make present. When the Jews celebrated their Passover, it was not done by symbolism, spiritual or to remember the old days. The Hebrew Passover Jesus fulfill's is celebrated Literally in zikaron to make present now. If? you know anything about the Passover of the old testament, you understand what literal zikaron= to make a memorial actual and present now, from a different space and time.
Jesus takes His disciples into the real Passover, when Jesus the eternal real sacrificial lamb, MUST BE EATEN, not by men's ordinance's but by God's command. OF COURSE THEY SHOULD, BUT NOT FOR THE REASONS YOU SAY. "DO THIS IN REMEMBERANCE OF ME.... NOTHING MORE, AND NOTHING LESS... IT WAS A WONDERFUL MEMORAL TO WHICH TODAY MILLIONS ENJOY. YOU READ YOUR THEOLOGY INTO THE PASSAGE RATHER THAN EXTRACT WHAT IS THERE AND ACCEPT IT. TGGODSWAY.
Secondly, Jesus is doing the Work of His Father, When Jesus gives His body to His disciples to eat, they are stunned and taken back, yet God calls them to faith in the Works of Jesus Christ, Then Jesus commands them to "do this" work, so that all may come to have faith, in my presence =zikaron in Hebrew, anamesis in Greek is the same word the apostles used to record Jesus words at the Last supper.
AGAIN, YOU ARE READING YOUR BIAS INTO THE PASSAGE AND COMING TO YOUR CONCLLUSIONS. LET ME QUOTE YOUR CONCLUSIONS FROM JOHN 6:40. "AND THIS IS THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME, THAT EVERY ONE WHICH "SEES THE SON" AND "BELIEVES ON HIM" MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE..."
THESE WORDS CAME BEFORE HIS INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT THE EUCHARIST. HE REPEATED HIMSELF AGAIN IN VERSE 47. I AGREE IT WAS AN EXPRESSION HINGING ON THE PASSOVER IMAGERY. BUT THE CALL TO ETERNAL LIFE IN MANY OTHER PLACES OF SCRIPUTRE DO NOT USE THE SAME IMAGERY TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT. IN OTHER WORDS, ETERNAL LIFE IS BASED ON "BELIEF" NOT "BELIEF PLUS EUCHARIST. SIMPLE POINT. TGGODSWAY.
When the apostles record the Greek word anamesis, the meaning takes on a real substantial presence of Jesus body and blood. Here the work is an action that brings to the present place and time, Jesus did and said in the Last supper.
When the Church celebrates the Last Supper, the memorial is never a past event celebrated in the present. When Jesus speaks and the apostles write, the memorial is zikaron or anamesis which is making the reality of Jesus Last supper present now.
I am not debating your catholic faith here. I hope to disclose to you a Eucharist by faith and works, which the Roman Catholic Church has celebrated since the Last supper.
Not so, as I explained above. We are talking about the Works of God here, not a magician or mere man. Here is a clue for you; Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. **, 1 Peter 1: 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.
True faith attests that God is the only being that can be present in more than one place at once, when no angels or spirits cannot be in more place than once.When nothing is impossible for God who loves us.
True faith and works (Eucharist) supersedes your carnal understanding of Jesus who is God made man fulfilling the Passover in a figurative speech. This is never ever the faith in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith.
THE PRESENCE OF GOD IS NOT ONLY EXPERIENCED AT THE PRACTICE OF THE LORD'S TABLE. IT IS EXPERIENCED AT NEW BIRTH AND BEYOND. HIS PRESENCE IS MANIFEST IN MANY SITUATIONS FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE. THIS IS A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE EMBRACED BY MILLIONS AROUND THE WORLD.
I respect your faith position, Now I am clear that you do not practice an Apostolic Liturgy and your catholic faith is not in full communion with Peter =Pope today and apostles = present day bishops around the world in full communion with Peter.
Thanks for clarifying your catholic position.:)
Peace be with you