You can’t “pick and choose” which teachings you will or won’t accept Erikaspirit116.
You have to harmonize and affirm the WHOLE package.
That’s part of what “Catholic” is—to the whole.
WHY did you appeal to a catechetical teaching (CCC 848) where it EXPLICITLY teaches God (mysteriously to be sure) leads these people to FAITH, to deny . . . .
. . . . to DENY the necessity of the grace of faith?
Excerpt from CCC 848 "Although in ways known to himself GOD CAN LEAD those . . . TO THAT FAITH without which it is impossible to please him. . . .
Notice what it DOESN’T say . . . .
NOT from CCC "Although in ways known to himself GOD CANNOT LEAD those . . . TO THAT FAITH without which it is impossible to please him but it’s possible to get into Heaven without this anyway.
CCC 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
WHY use CCC 848 to try to say people can get to Heaven without faith??
Do you see the incompatibility of what you are proposing?
And playing Baptism off from faith doesn’t work either. Why?
Because faith and Baptism are differing dimensions or “causes” of the one salvation that’s WHY.
When God works outside of the Sacraments He does not withhold the grace of the Sacrament.
God gives the grace outside of the Sacrament as He is not bound by His sacraments.
If you want to think atheists can be saved apart from God’s gracing them with faith (and by the way, you would be right about then they are not atheists any more WHEN God does that), please begin a thread this.