Kasich: People are 'probably' born gay


#1

cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/john-kasich-california-gay/


#2

Choosing to be gay goes against the biological imperative to reproduce. Based on that, I think it is the result of being born that way. No one would choose that unless there was something biologically wrong.


#3

I agree with you. No one would make that choice. Something goes wrong with the chromosomes or during gestation.


#4

I don’t disagree with him here. Some people probably are born gay.


#5

Why do you perceive it as something “goes wrong”?
If you believe in a God and believe this God creates us…then gay people are born just right, exactly as God intended.

I’m glad the resident brought up the phrase “lifestyle choice.” I have to face-palm every time I see that phrase being used to describe gay people who date/get married like their heterosexual counterparts do.
Unless, of course, they want to call heterosexuals who date/get married also a “lifestyle choice.”
But I’ve never heard them do that.

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#6

Everything isn’t as God intended. The biology of men and women shows he did not create humans for homosexual relationships.

I have a friend whose sister’s baby was born with only a brain stem, no cerebrum. Do you think God intended that?

The other day a grandmother and four of her grandchildren were swept away and killed by flood waters in East Texas? Do you think God intended that?

Man brought sin and disorder into the world. I love good people who just happen to be homosexual, but it is not a choice anyone would consciously make, nor is it a choice human biology, and thus God, man’s Creator, supports. Although homosexual people deserve love and support, a homosexual relationship does not, just as a sexual relationship outside of marriage does not.


#7

Why does it matter? We don’t have to act on sinful desires no matter how we obtained them


#8

:thumbsup:


#9

I do not try to pretend to know what God intends I do believe that all works to His plan.


#10

But because of the Fall, our inclination to sin is very strong.

It matters because if it’s not a choice, a homosexual person who is not engaging in sexual relations is not sinning.

If it is a choice, then the person needs counseling. If it’s not, no amount of counseling will change their orientation.

Personally, I don’t believe it’s a choice. They need support to maintain their chaste status.


#11

I disagree.

It’s too simplified a story to fit all the evidence, really. There may be a genetic link, but it’s certainly more complicated than just some sort of SSA/not-SSA thing. I am not either tall or not-tall or introverted or extroverted. Environments, genes, and yes, even, to a degree, choices, all intertwine to one end result. Simplifying the picture doesn’t work and isn’t helpful.


#12

I don’t pretend to know what God intends, either. The Church is clear on this one.


#13

It matters. God does everything for a reason, even if you and I don’t know the reason.

You have said you are an alcoholic. Why did God give you this burden?


#14

I was born heterosexual. There is nothing in any environment that could make me desire a homosexual relationship. I think it’s probably that way with most heterosexuals and homosexuals.

Of course it’s complicated, but we can’t go into all the complications on a message board. Identical homosexual twins who are separated at birth and grow up in very different environments are still both homosexual, indicating it’s nature, not nurture. But of course, it’s complicated.


#15

If people are born homosexual, then why are there identical twins where one is homosexual and the other is heterosexual? They share identical genetics and yet they have different sexual orientations. Doesn’t that signal that there is something other than genetics that determines sexual orientation? Also why are there studies that show there may be an environmental/familial link to homosexuality? I don’t know if scientists will ever be able to answer with absolute certainty whether somebody is born homosexual or not. This may be something that science will not be provide certainty on.


#16

Hmm…

I’m not convinced there IS necessarily a biological imperative to reproduce as you seem to phrase it. If that were so, people wouldn’t wear condoms and would have as many children as possible. There are several biological imperatives that *favor * reproduction. Namely, there is a pleasure produced from sex. This pleasure, however, can be achieved in many other ways, namely through porn, sex without childbirth, sex with someone or something incapable of having children, etc. This seems to me to be one reason why the childbirth rate in certain countries plummeted so quickly upon the advent of widespread porn, condoms, etc. – they were able to fulfill their desire for sex in other manners.


#17

If people are born homosexual, then why are there identical twins where one is homosexual and the other is heterosexual? They share identical genetics and yet they have different sexual orientations. Doesn’t that signal that there is something other than genetics that determines sexual orientation? Also why are there studies that show there may be an environmental/familial link to homosexuality? I don’t know if scientists will ever be able to answer with absolute certainty whether somebody is born homosexual or not. This may be something that science will not be able to provide certainty on


#18

Do you have evidence of these studies? I’ve never seen them and in my classes I should have.


#19

Yes it is.

We can see it in the story of the man born blind, and the raising of Lazarus.

Everything is as God intended, its just that our humanity limits our understanding of the divine.

PEACE AND ALL GOOD!


#20

DNA differences, which go straight back to nature, not nurture:

latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-genetic-homosexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html

slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/11/the_science_of_sexual_orientation_the_latest_on_genes_chromosomes_and_environmental.html

“Evidence points toward the existence of a complex interaction between genes and environment, which are responsible for the heritable nature of sexual orientation.”

It probably is a very complex interaction between nature and nurture, but if the genetic predisposition weren’t there in the first place, no amount or nurture could turn it on.


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