🇨🇦 Latest on Trudeau's third ethics scandal, WE Scam: Trudeau appears willing to go to the polls to prevent the creation of a new committee to probe Liberal scandals

I simply want him out. He should just “abdicate” at this point. He’s a disgrace.


I’m no big fan but the alternative isn’t much better. Scheer is a lame duck, and his likely replacement, MacKay, is not much better than Trudeau on ethics on top of being a brazen liar.

As for the NDP, I won’t go there (nor vote for them), and since I’m a federalist Quebecer (and one of probably only 3 monarchist Quebecers), the Bloc isn’t even on my radar screen other than being VERY careful not to accidentally mark an “X” next to the Bloc candidate’s name when I vote :rofl:


You made me laugh. :laughing:

It personally sucks being a social conservative in Quebec, so imagine how hard it is for me to vote!


In this new version of events, Trudeau’s interest wasn’t conflicted.

He was, in fact, the only person standing between a rushed recommendation and a premature rubber stamp.

That means it was the public service’s fault that a Liberal-connected, Trudeau-supported charity suffering many internal problems was sole-sourced for a highly-unusual government contract to deliver the program.

After they came back to declare it was either WE or ‘non’ to the entire student program, why, it HAD to be green lit by the cabinet, Trudeau said.

Sorry, but like almost everything else about this controversy, something smells very off about Thursday’s revelations.


Justin Trudeau, his wife, Sophie, his mother, Margaret, and his brother, Alexandre, were all deeply connected with, over many years worked for or gave presence to the Kielburger brothers. (In Justin Trudeau’s case, both when he was prime minister and earlier when he was not.) As Trudeau has claimed, they may not have been friends, but on matters of interest common to them both, they couldn’t have been closer to each other had they called in a welder.

They each had something to offer each other. WE’s capacity to round up huge audiences of schoolchildren, and take them to a stadium for a whole day for their brand of do-goodism and progressive sermonizing, supplied Trudeau with audiences of just the kind who matched his own approach to politics. There was an immense spotlight (especially in his early days) on his undeniable charisma, writing the message that a “new politics” was in the making, which doubtless reached the parents of those children in the stadiums.

It is very simple. If Mr. Trudeau says he saw potential trouble with the WE deal, and he does say that, if he already knew it would at least meet the threshold of a conflict of interest; if the finance minister’s involvement and connections with ME intensified the perception of conflict of interest; and if finally he knew his parent, wife and brother were — in varying amounts — being paid by WE, why did he not strike down the deal in one full blast: “This cannot go forward; we are all too mixed up with the Kielburgers. It will look bad.” And in fact, it is bad.

We’ve had some controversies in the past with elected officials abusing the system, but this is a third time offense for our prime minister.

There are have been many more offenses like his wearing of black face and such but the media loves him, so he gets a free pass!

Well, he thinks China has the best government in the world, so maybe he could care less about whether people’s rights get trampled on.

“People are asking a lot of questions,” NDP finance critic Peter Julian said in an interview. “There’s been a lot of contradictions in testimony. So the documents should be revealing a lot more of what the real answers are.”

Yet while the Liberals turned more than 5,000 pages over to the committee ahead of Saturday’s deadline, it wasn’t clear when they would be released to members as committee lawyers go through them to prevent the release of protected information.

It’s a hollow threat. No one wants an election in the middle of a pandemic. But it’s not impossible to imagine they might want to topple the government when things get better.
If it weren’t for this pandemic, I wouldn’t mind a federal election 1 year after the last one.
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Me too. Althougg If Trudeau had any integrity he would resign and save us the cost of an election.


Morneau, who has held the post for five years, announced his resignation Monday evening in a press conference from Ottawa. He will give up both his cabinet role and his seat as member of Parliament for Toronto Centre.

He announced he will make a bid to become secretary general of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said Trudeau was “scapegoating” his hand-picked finance minister.

“At a time when Canadians are worried about their health and their finances, Justin Trudeau’s government is so consumed by scandal that Trudeau has amputated his right hand to try and save himself,” he tweeted.

“In the middle of a financial crisis, Justin Trudeau has lost his Finance Minister,” tweeted NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh. “Every time he gets caught breaking ethics laws, he makes someone else take the heat. That’s not leadership.”

While Trudeau vowed the prorogation will not impede the government’s COVID-19 response in the interim, suspending all House of Commons business means several ongoing committee probes into his government and the WE Charity student grant controversy have been least temporarily halted, the final special summer sitting has been tossed off the agenda, and any plans to table further emergency legislation are on pause.

The new session is set to begin two days later than the original fall sitting had been scheduled, and Trudeau defended the move as one that will allow for a confidence vote on the Liberals’ plans to navigate the country out of the current crisis.

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland is keeping her second-in-command role while taking on the finance minister portfolio, while her intergovernmental affairs responsibilities are being reassigned to Dominic LeBlanc, who also continues as President of the Queen’s Privy Council.

Freeland makes history in becoming Canada’s first female finance minister, and LeBlanc takes back a file he previously held: stickhandling relations with the provinces and territories. That had been taken off his plate as he focused on recovering from cancer.

This is the first time Trudeau has taken that massive procedural step of prorogation, after vowing when first elected to not use “prorogation to avoid difficult political circumstances,” as the Liberals accused former prime minister Stephen Harper of doing.

Roughly 5,000 pages of documents were submitted by the government to the finance committee as part of that committee’s probe into accusations of conflicts of interest in the WE Charity controversy.

Many of the documents released are out of order, not clearly attributed and lack details such as who prepared them and when they were created, while others are clearer.

The WE organization was selected to administer a student service grant program and despite having family financial ties to the group, neither Prime Minister Justin Trudeau nor former finance minister Bill Morneau recused themselves from discussions on the proposal.

Both are now under investigation by the ethics commissioner.

Morneau also resigned on Monday following reports of purported frustrations in the Prime Minister’s Office about his handling of questions about his role in the scandal and rifts between the two men on coronavirus recovery plans.

Trudeau is facing the third ethics investigation of his five years in office over the government’s decision to task WE with administering the programme.

Just over C$900m ($679m, £519m) was originally earmarked for the programme, designed to connect post-secondary students to volunteer opportunities - for which they would later receive a grant - to make up for summer job prospects that had disappeared during the pandemic.

Canadian political theorist David Moscrop says “this country is governed by a fairly small circle of elites and there’s a cult of the insider that buttresses this, that produces these kinds of scandals fairly routinely”.

"That’s the structural problem - that Canada ends up being a small country governed by a small handful of people."

The charity said it regularly holds tours for “well-known philanthropists” like Mr Morneau [finance minister who resigned this week] and his wife, who both come from wealthy Canadian families.

Scrutiny over the agreement has extended to the charity itself, raising questions about its sprawling organisational structure, ties between its social enterprise branch and its charitable entities, and its internal culture.

Royal Bank of Canada said on 28 July it reached a mutual agreement to end all sponsorships with and donations to WE Charity.

A May 4 memo stated the Treasury Board Secretariat was concerned the Ministry of Employment and Social Development “has not provided evidence to suggest that WE Charities possess the capacity to undertake the work, especially under accelerated time lines. Furthermore, the tracking of (volunteer) hours by a third party could be challenging and result in potential integrity concerns should students not be honest about hours accrued.”


The pro-business centre-left editorial board of Canada’s most read national paper:

WE closure changes nothing,” said Conservative finance critic Pierre Poilievre in a Thursday-morning tweet. “Finance committee will resume investigations once Parliament opens. You can run but you can’t hide.

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