Latin mass.. to be celebrated in all parishes

i hope that the latin mass be celebrated at least once a week in all parishes around the world… what do you think?

I don’t care. I like understanding the Mass and not having to follow along in a book, so I prefer English.

[quote=viktor aleksndr]i hope that the latin mass be celebrated at least once a week in all parishes around the world… what do you think?
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YES! I would like to see MY parish celebrate at least one Mass in Latin! Afterall, it was the Universal language used around the world at every Mass, was it not? Would love to be apart of that once again.

Ok I’m not Catholic so maybe I’m missing out on somthing. Most of the world doesn’t speak latin. If you are spanish-speaking you can kind of get the gist of it but still are going to be missing a lot. So what is the point? Why have a service that nobody can understand. Kind of like watching static on the TV and following allong with the TV guide, you kind of have an idea of what is going on but all the substance is lost.

Don’t get me wrong, I like latin. I have sung more versions of “Ave Maria” than I can remember and took 2 semesters of it in college. What it boils down to for me is other than does this benefit your church at all other than having everyone do the same thing at the same time (and if that is what your after why not all just jump up-and-down at the same time, it’s quicker and also great exersise! :slight_smile: )

anyways not meaning to introject too much but the meaning was lost on me.

[quote=Shlemele]Ok I’m not Catholic so maybe I’m missing out on somthing. Most of the world doesn’t speak latin. If you are spanish-speaking you can kind of get the gist of it but still are going to be missing a lot. So what is the point? Why have a service that nobody can understand. Kind of like watching static on the TV and following allong with the TV guide, you kind of have an idea of what is going on but all the substance is lost.

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You are both right and wrong.
Coversationally None of us speak Latin. It is a dead language conversationally. However, many of our English words come from Latin roots. Having a familiarity to Latin is a boon for our children with Medical terminology, and botony for example.

That being said, Latin is not like watching the static on the tv at all. It’s like watching a subtitled movie. There IS something going on. Your guide tells what the words mean.

I watch Studio Ghibli movies (Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, The Cat Returns…) in Japanese with subtitles. I have my children do the same because it helps them with reading. Understand?

That being said, I wish that the TLM could be offered in at least one parish in each Vicariate, but I love my Holy Mass. It’s EWTN type.

Originally Posted by Shlemele
Ok I’m not Catholic so maybe I’m missing out on somthing.

Latin, of itself, isn’t used as a vernacular language, so its meaning is set, a bit like ancient arabic or ancient Hebrew. The meaning of the words doesn’t change over time so there is no need to adapt them.

When mass is said in Latin throughout the world, a Catholic can go to mass anywhere and understand and be familiar with the liturgy, and know that literally those same prayers are being offered all over the world and also feel assured that those prayers are literally in communion with saints, martyrs and Catholic faithul through time.

It makes the church whole.

With vernacular you can find the balkanization of mass, sometimes within the same parish, particularly with people moving around more in cosmopolitan areas. Spanish speakers at one mass, English at another, perhaps French at another. When Latin is available, anybody can go anywhere. If they need a translation, all they need is a single hand missal of their choice.

Latin isn’t a hard language (at least the stems :slight_smile: ) particularly if you speak French, Spanish, Italian or even English. There are lots of German words, and a bit of Celtic, in English, but mostly it comes from Latin through French. There aren’t that many words in the Ordinary of the mass said every week. Most of them are quite familiar, often from everyday words and phrases.

Problem is that Latin has become a bit of a oddity, an unfamiliar novelty, and to further confusion, the Novus Ordo in Latin is different again from the Traditional Latin Mass.

[quote=Shlemele]Ok I’m not Catholic so maybe I’m missing out on somthing. Most of the world doesn’t speak latin. If you are spanish-speaking you can kind of get the gist of it but still are going to be missing a lot. So what is the point? Why have a service that nobody can understand. Kind of like watching static on the TV and following allong with the TV guide, you kind of have an idea of what is going on but all the substance is lost.

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If you only went to one Latin Mass then yes, you would not understand it. After you’ve gone for a few months, and read along with the translation, you do understand it. It’s the same words each time.

One of the biggest reasons I support a Latin Mass (N.O. or 1962) is that it works against the fractionalization of the Church. English Mass, Spanish Mass, Vietnamese Mass, Tagalog Mass, Laotian Mass, etc. These break up a parish into separate tribes. Mass should be uniting, not divisive.

I would love to see the old Tridentine mass celibrated in each and every parish.

[quote=jimmy]I would love to see the old Tridentine mass celibrated in each and every parish.
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The indult regarding the TLM says that it can be made available to those who request it.

Most parishes do not have even a single person who still remembers the TLM, much less would want to have it in their parish.

So you are saying it should be crammed down everyone’s throat, whether they want it or not?

[quote=rcn]The indult regarding the TLM says that it can be made available to those who request it.

Most parishes do not have even a single person who still remembers the TLM, much less would want to have it in their parish.

So you are saying it should be crammed down everyone’s throat, whether they want it or not?
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Here in Detroit people begged for years to get the indult. There was an open letter writing campaign to the Vatican. We finally got one downtown parish. Oooo. Better than nothing.

What do you mean that most parishes do not have even a single person who remembers the TLM? The TLM was eliminated in most parishes by 1970. Are you saying that most parishes have no one over the age of 50?

I see what you are saying with cramming down people’s throats, but I think that one Holy Mass in each Vicatiate would solve the desire to attend. Some diocese are lucky to have one in their entire city. Young people who do not drive have a hard time getting there.

I once asked my priest if he could celebrate a Latin Mass if he were asked to do so, and he said “no”. So, if my parish were to celebrate a Latin Mass then I guess Fr. would have to learn the language first.

Somehow I have the feeling that he wouldn’t be the alone in this.
Scout :tiphat:

Scout is right. My pator is geeting ready to celebrate his 25th Anniversary as a priest. His class did not have Latin or any training in the Latin Mass. There is a priest in a parish about 20 minutes away, who is much younger, but learned the Latin Mass and has permission to say this Mass.

It would be nice if each deanery had a priest that could celebrate the Latin Mass, then everyone in that area that wanted to attend, would be able to do so. Our deanery contains 7 or 8 parishes.

God bless,
tony

[quote=Scout]I once asked my priest if he could celebrate a Latin Mass if he were asked to do so, and he said “no”. So, if my parish were to celebrate a Latin Mass then I guess Fr. would have to learn the language first.

Somehow I have the feeling that he wouldn’t be the alone in this.
Scout :tiphat:
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If you priest said “no” to the question “could you celebrate a Latin Mass if asked to do so?” does not necessarily mean that he doesn’t know Latin.

It could mean one of two things.

  1. He is assuming that you are asking if he could say the Latin Mass if a lay person asked him to, seeing that to say the old Mass requries the approval of the local Bishop.

  2. That while he knows Latin, he is not familiar with the old Mass and it would take him time to learn it and he just couldn’t do it right away.

Latin is still taught in the seminaries but it the priest does not use it they will get rusty just as with any other language.

For me the latin language is great and all, but it’s the rest of what’s going on in the TLM that I love.

[quote=Scout]I once asked my priest if he could celebrate a Latin Mass if he were asked to do so, and he said “no”. So, if my parish were to celebrate a Latin Mass then I guess Fr. would have to learn the language first.

Somehow I have the feeling that he wouldn’t be the alone in this.
Scout :tiphat:
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Mine too. Scared spitless about so much as a syllable of Latin. I would like to see the Missa Normativa and the TLM offered – one each – in two parishes of the Deanery (about 20 parishes).

How right you are indeed…

I want to go to the TLM, but it’s too far for me T_T I would have to take bus, but I have no money at the moment. As a teenager who cannot drive yet, I am deeply saddened by that.

Hi Viktor,

If my parish had to offer an indult mass, then that is all we would have. We are so short of priests that on some Sundays we have to have a communion service without a priest. (No liturgical luxury for us.)

By the way, “Latin Mass” is a misnomer. The official language of the liturgy is Latin, and the so-called “new mass” can be said in Latin too. The Holy Father often says it in Latin.

What you are talking about is the 1962 Missal Mass, sometimes called Tridentine or Indult Mass.

Verbum

I :heart: TLM.

Every parish? Not realistic. But at least somewhere in each diocese, I think would be wonderful. There’s a parish downtown that has had TLM twice a month, but starting in the fall will have it weekly. Very exciting.

But if we’re talking about what *every *parish needs, it’s a Perpetual Adoration Chapel.

In each and every parish would be wonderful.:bounce:
But, those of us in my area, would just like one parish to do so. The closest INDULT to us is 45 miles away.:banghead:

[quote=Scout]I once asked my priest if he could celebrate a Latin Mass if he were asked to do so, and he said “no”. So, if my parish were to celebrate a Latin Mass then I guess Fr. would have to learn the language first.

Somehow I have the feeling that he wouldn’t be the alone in this.
Scout :tiphat:
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Priests are fairly educated men. Given that the daily readings and homilies are in the vernacular, it shouldn’t be too difficult for a priest to learn how to celebrate the Tridentine Mass through self-study, and by watching videos of other priests.

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