I had asked him to find me a better word. He hadn’t; and neither have you.
The Jews couldn’t be apostate for having rejected Jesus as Messiah, because they never accepted Him in the first place.
That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. It is like saying that the Heathen are not really Heathen for having rejected the one God because they never accepted Him in the first place. Jesus was the God of the Hebrews. He is the one who gave them the Law of Moses out of Mount Sinai. He is the one of whom Moses and all the Hebrew prophets had written and prophesied. Once they had rejected Him, they became apostates from their own religion, and everything that Moses gave them.
In a sermon that Peter preached to the Jews in the Temple after the Lord’s resurrection, this is what he said to them:
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Did you get that? I call that apostasy. I don’t care what you choose to call it.
This is the problem the Mormons have with the entire concept of apostasy. They’re mis-defining the word, and the concept that the word represents. They claim a Great Apostasy of Christianity dating from approximately the time of the death of the last Apostle, or the moment the divine authority was taken away from John who, supposedly, is still wandering around out there somewhere. But, when pressed on the issue they have to don tophats and canes, and start dancing, like cartoon crickets.
As with so many other crazy ideas that came out from the mouth and mind of Joseph Smith, the Mormons are stuck having to defend the Great Apostasy. Tough luck.
Your objections to the LDS concept of the Apostasy of the early Christian church is as stupid, idiotic, and nonsensical as is your objections to the Jewish one that you have just raised. No further comment is required.