[quote="MagsM, post:16, topic:214887"]
I think of this analogy: Let's say I am a born alcoholic - I've drank alcoholically since the third grade and from the moment it touched my lips. God's word says drunks will not inherit the kingdom. We then learn that God gives grace to overcome drinking - it does not give me an excuse to wallow in drunkenness saying "I've drunk alcoholically since I first picked it up. God made me mentally and bodily different than others. I will stay in my natural tendency toward drunkenness and insist that the church stop condemning my drunken state as a sin." Isn't this really saying that it's God's fault I'm like this? We can use this rationalization for any sin - after all, He made us born into this body of flesh. :rolleyes: /QUOTE]
So, if you're relating homosexuality to alcoholism, would you be opposed to a group of alcoholics meeting in a parish setting?
Is there a negative reaction to a group serving single heterosexual Catholic men and women? But... heaven help us... what if they are not actually living a chaste single life? Bar the doors!
Every time I read one of these anti-homosexual threads on CAF it makes me just a little crazy. Pope Benedict has spoken out more than once -- here, for instance:
[Homosexuals]*'must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided'. They are called, like other Christians, to live the virtue of chastity. The homosexual inclination is however 'objectively disordered' and homosexual practices are 'sins gravely contrary to chastity'.
As I stated in my first post, we don't and can't know the state of anyone's soul.
We don't know if the gay people who may be asking to form a parish group are engaged in an active sexual life or not. Even if two people of the same sex share the same address, we don't know that they are not just roommates. (The same way that two hetersexual people of opposite sex can be just roommates -- it happens, it's possible. Chastity and celibacy depend on the commitment to the state and are not necessarily endangered by propinquity.)
Do you know if the publicly engaged couple sitting so close in the pew in front of you on Sunday do or don't have a rollicking sex life? Nope, you don't. Do you assume they are living chastely as the Church requires?
Do you assume that two people of the same sex who sit together actually are homosexual? Do you then assume they are living unchastely? That's an awful lot of assumptions for something that is really none of your business.
The state of someone's soul is between them and God alone -- or with a confessor, if he/she includes one.
Do you also assume that gay people who seek a parish fellowship group are part of the "gay agenda?" Do they have a ballot box hanging around their neck or posters in their hands -- "gay rights for all?" Or is it possible that they seek to share their journey as cross-bearing Catholic Christians with one another, leading one another closer to Christ?
Jesus made it clear during His lifetime that we are called to serve "the poor" and that what we do with, to and for "the poor" we do directly to Him.
We are all "the poor" in some way. We all live with propensities to one or another grave sin because we are human. Wouldn't it be just so ironic if the people of this century were to be judged on our charitable treatment to the "homosexual poor"?
To the poster who wants to wait to see if the homosexual state is genetic -- science has been addressing that for some years now -- years that gay people have been looked down upon, considered as less-than, treated as spiritual lepers in a Church that has been called to embrace and cherish all with respect and dignity. Here's a clue about the gene connection -- many, many gay people say they knew from early childhood (four or five years old) that they were "different" -- that they had a strong connection to their own sex. Whether or not the condition is genetic, or possibly caused by hormonal influences during gestation or later parental behaviors, it certainly isn't a choice that a five-year-old makes, or a fifteen-year-old. Google the number of recent suicides by gay teens and tell me it's a choice.
For the record, I'm not gay, I have no gay family members and no gay friends. My only interest in clearly discriminatory threads such as this on CAF is that they are so blatantly un-Christian, controverting everything Jesus asks of us along with the Church's clear direction.
Protest and march against gay marriage -- I don't believe in it either -- but don't slam the church door against those who struggle to live up to the Church's requirements and who are, by right and by grace, members of the Church. "They" are beloved sons and daughters of Christ, just as you are -- and "they" are possibly carrying a larger cross throughout their entire lifetime than you.
I pray that you will all look into your hearts and gauge your reactions to this simple parish request against the standards of who Jesus wants us to be, and whether our Church, strengthened by the blood of Jesus and martyrs, will be a Church of inclusiveness to all sinners who have been called to be here -- or exclusivity because of who they are in one aspect of their lives.